The Failure that is Antifa. (the Totally not Nazi, Nazi's)

[Quetzal]

They did a poll of Antifa members? Cool, can you link it for us?

False equivalencies are rampant in this thread. I wouldn't hold your breath on this one.

 

[Underhill]

for beating up people who 99% of the time are not Nazi's or even Violent? the destruction of civilian property and silencing of events and rallies that are not even majorly Nazi?

though that quote of "Europe is becoming what America should be" should make me not even surprised.

Where do you get this data? There have been instances where the wrong people get caught up in violence or where there civilian damage, but this 99% number is obviously pulled straight from your nether regions.

I appreciate the ideas behind the group, but it's the wrong way to handle things.

 

[Stevicus]

Antifa. short for Anti-Fascist is a somewhat new age group (atleast have not been majorly active since a few years ago) of activists and protesters who are tasked with the destruction of anything they deem as Racist. Fascist. or really any who disagree with the SJW narrative
they are most commonly known for their attire being Black-clad and ISIS like. they normally carry batons. pepper spray. makeshift tear gas. and smoke grenades... there a more violent more stupid Anonymous basically.

their membership mainly being Alt-Left college graduates or those still in college. mainly those in gender studies and other "courses"
while they have protested actual Nazi-Rallies most the time they protest large rallies that are majority not nazi. an example being free speech rallies. speakers at colleges like Berkley. really any who stand against their narrative.
examples being...

See if they were assaulting guys in full SS uniform or wielding Nazi symbols you could be a bit less sympathetic but 99% of the time it's those they consider "Nazi's" being anyone right of Charles Marx or republican.

their Objectives are normally met quite easy. their formula is. go to a controversial rally. start violence, beat people up to the point where the ordered off officers actually have to take action and then get said rallies shut down. it works due to the Establishment backing them quite a bit. there is never any coverage of their terrorist activities of burning down property wrecking cars and injuring civilians. rally attendees. they actually rarely ever get actual Neo-Nazi's

Normally don't like Tucker. like his Tucker's face though. but when the loaf has a point the loaf has a point. also look at this giraffe I think Antifa is actually rise of the planet of the girafees more than anything.

In all seriousness. Antifa is to Neo-Nazism what Communism is to Nazism. if you go far enough left you end up right. and with their track record, they are not even good at combating actual Neo-Nazis. just wrecking property harming random people and getting owned when they wind up annoying the wrong group of people. sometimes that group being the actual Police.

I Officially and Fully condone any Member or supporter of such a Fabulously Horrid group like I would condemn the Brownshirts or ISIS. the fact people see the best way to handle an alternative opinion is to shove your own crappy opinion down their throats through violence shows the stupidity of the average American and Westerner.
Until the Neo-Nazi's start acting like the actual Nazi's and claim actual power through violent means. until than. beating them stabbing or killing or doing any violence against them unless they do actual violence personally to you first. is just purely unethical and wrong.

I mean look at these people. do they seem like Nazi's? even if they were I don't think anyone unless they themselves are active in violence should be assaulted like this for expressing an opinion no matter how unpopular.
you don't fight Neo-Nazis by killing them or throwing them into the darkness. that simply gives such groups more power and a point. you destroy difference in opinion through debate, discourse, and proper means. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. and what a Republic and Democracy are founded upon.
and the oppression of altering opinion through political blackmail and violence is what the Nazis themselves did. by definition of Fascism which group seems more Fascist? the ones in clad black uniform with official weapons (Antifa produces actual knives and weapons with their logo) or the small 5-10% of people at a larger protest who may happen to un-ironically wear a swastika?
if your answer was the Latter congratulations you're a Moron.
I Condemn any who support such a movement even if it's against the Spawn of Hitler himself. if we are going to stoop as low as they were then I don't see why the Nazis are even a problem. between Neo-Communism which is a huge supporter of Antifa and many of their members are, vs a small group of Neo-Nazi's who seem to be just as stupid but at least not violent 90% of the time, and rarely start violence at these rallies nor do I not hear any mention of them pulling stunts like Antifa at leftist rallies. I think il take the Neo-Nazis, to be honest. and that hurts to say seeing as how I had family who died fighting the actual Nazi's. but it sure as hell better to take the stupid over the actively violent stupid.
I mean God save us we have to contend once again with two stupid political ideologies that are both Cancer incarnate.
Anyhow thanks for reading through this little rant.

Here is General Patton slapping a soldier. have a nice day ^-^

I don't think Antifa is actually communist. If they were truly communist, they'd be attacking banks, not Nazis.

I don't know if the establishment actually backs them or not, although the establishment doesn't seem terribly threatened by them either. They seem more content to limit their attacks to those outside the establishment, those they perceive to be Nazis or Fascists (even if they might not be).

Most people are already against Nazism and Fascism anyway. The establishment already has been so for decades, and they defeated Nazism and Fascism over half a century ago. When it comes to that fight, the Antifa are a day late and a dollar short.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

granted, one requires full authoritarianism the other is pretty much just communism without structure. but the communism base ideals of screw everyone equally is still highly there. along with the anti-fascism or anything right

Anarchism doesn't mean without structure any more than libertarian does. And it sounds like you don't know pretty much anything about anarcho communism. Personally, I'm a mixed economist, so if I were to be close to any demographic in the anarchism side it would be social anarchy. But I'm not an anarchist so it's moot. There are right-leaning anarchists too, particularly anarcho capitalists which I think is naive as hell. Making money and competition the bottom line does not make people less greedy or a system less prone to abuse and death. I would more expect an even larger big Pharma and privatized health insurance, which quietly kills tens of thousands every year.

 

[leibowde84]

Antifa. short for Anti-Fascist is a somewhat new age group (atleast have not been majorly active since a few years ago) of activists and protesters who are tasked with the destruction of anything they deem as Racist. Fascist. or really any who disagree with the SJW narrative
they are most commonly known for their attire being Black-clad and ISIS like. they normally carry batons. pepper spray. makeshift tear gas. and smoke grenades... there a more violent more stupid Anonymous basically.

their membership mainly being Alt-Left college graduates or those still in college. mainly those in gender studies and other "courses"
while they have protested actual Nazi-Rallies most the time they protest large rallies that are majority not nazi. an example being free speech rallies. speakers at colleges like Berkley. really any who stand against their narrative.
examples being...

See if they were assaulting guys in full SS uniform or wielding Nazi symbols you could be a bit less sympathetic but 99% of the time it's those they consider "Nazi's" being anyone right of Charles Marx or republican.

their Objectives are normally met quite easy. their formula is. go to a controversial rally. start violence, beat people up to the point where the ordered off officers actually have to take action and then get said rallies shut down. it works due to the Establishment backing them quite a bit. there is never any coverage of their terrorist activities of burning down property wrecking cars and injuring civilians. rally attendees. they actually rarely ever get actual Neo-Nazi's

Normally don't like Tucker. like his Tucker's face though. but when the loaf has a point the loaf has a point. also look at this giraffe I think Antifa is actually rise of the planet of the girafees more than anything.

In all seriousness. Antifa is to Neo-Nazism what Communism is to Nazism. if you go far enough left you end up right. and with their track record, they are not even good at combating actual Neo-Nazis. just wrecking property harming random people and getting owned when they wind up annoying the wrong group of people. sometimes that group being the actual Police.

I Officially and Fully condone any Member or supporter of such a Fabulously Horrid group like I would condemn the Brownshirts or ISIS. the fact people see the best way to handle an alternative opinion is to shove your own crappy opinion down their throats through violence shows the stupidity of the average American and Westerner.
Until the Neo-Nazi's start acting like the actual Nazi's and claim actual power through violent means. until than. beating them stabbing or killing or doing any violence against them unless they do actual violence personally to you first. is just purely unethical and wrong.

I mean look at these people. do they seem like Nazi's? even if they were I don't think anyone unless they themselves are active in violence should be assaulted like this for expressing an opinion no matter how unpopular.
you don't fight Neo-Nazis by killing them or throwing them into the darkness. that simply gives such groups more power and a point. you destroy difference in opinion through debate, discourse, and proper means. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. and what a Republic and Democracy are founded upon.
and the oppression of altering opinion through political blackmail and violence is what the Nazis themselves did. by definition of Fascism which group seems more Fascist? the ones in clad black uniform with official weapons (Antifa produces actual knives and weapons with their logo) or the small 5-10% of people at a larger protest who may happen to un-ironically wear a swastika?
if your answer was the Latter congratulations you're a Moron.
I Condemn any who support such a movement even if it's against the Spawn of Hitler himself. if we are going to stoop as low as they were then I don't see why the Nazis are even a problem. between Neo-Communism which is a huge supporter of Antifa and many of their members are, vs a small group of Neo-Nazi's who seem to be just as stupid but at least not violent 90% of the time, and rarely start violence at these rallies nor do I not hear any mention of them pulling stunts like Antifa at leftist rallies. I think il take the Neo-Nazis, to be honest. and that hurts to say seeing as how I had family who died fighting the actual Nazi's. but it sure as hell better to take the stupid over the actively violent stupid.
I mean God save us we have to contend once again with two stupid political ideologies that are both Cancer incarnate.
Anyhow thanks for reading through this little rant.

Here is General Patton slapping a soldier. have a nice day ^-^

White Nationalists are just about as Nazi as it gets, though. They have pretty much the same exact ideology.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

as far as I am concerned then you have no right to yours as it threatens. Liberty. see this gets us nowhere.

When you call for violence, you should be silenced. We don't like to think of it or admit it, but words have power to them, and can sometimes be more forceful, more powerful, and more deadly than what the speaker could ever do on their own.

 

[Father]

When you call for violence, you should be silenced. We don't like to think of it or admit it, but words have power to them, and can sometimes be more forceful, more powerful, and more deadly than what the speaker could ever do on their own.

and Antifa does violence and calls for it. so they should be silenced?

 

[Father]

When you call for violence, you should be silenced. We don't like to think of it or admit it, but words have power to them, and can sometimes be more forceful, more powerful, and more deadly than what the speaker could ever do on their own.

if a speaker's words have the power to coagulate and unite the people then his words are not wrong. but right. any idea that can stand in the sun is not one of darkness. if their ideas are truly wrong than the sun will destroy them.

the sun being debate and discourse. the action of tearing apart one's arguments with fact and reason. if it can survive that. then it may be your idea's which are wrong. not theirs. if you think otherwise then let the sun decide it. but trying to throw them into the darkness does not destroy them. after all their ideals lasted far past WW2 some college brats cant destroy what the greatest generation could not

 

[Father]

White Nationalists are just about as Nazi as it gets, though. They have pretty much the same exact ideology.

and yet in action. Antifa and in turn the Alt-Left is more fascist in action than ideology

 

[Shadow Wolf]

if a speaker's words have the power to coagulate and unite the people then his words are not wrong. but right.

One, Adolf Hilter, demonstrates volumes to the contrary. Depending on where you're born and raised, Vlad Dracul III is either a glorified national hero, or a topic of interest and curiosity who is generally and typically condemned for his cruelty. Witch hunts also had a tendency to unite people, even though those witches never existed and many innocents were tortured and brutally killed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

and yet in action. Antifa and in turn the Alt-Left is more fascist in action than ideology

If they were fascists, they would at least try to organize internationally and have a conventional hierarchy, and they wouldn't end to be Anarchists. Calling them fascists is no different than called ALF or ELF fascists.

 

[Father]

One, Adolf Hilter, demonstrates volumes to the contrary. Depending on where you're born and raised, Vlad Dracul III is either a glorified national hero, or a topic of interest and curiosity who is generally and typically condemned for his cruelty. Witch hunts also had a tendency to unite people, even though those witches never existed and many innocents were tortured and brutally killed.

when a person does take authoritarian power than it may be justified to use a little more than light to destroy them or defeat them. however, we are not fighting Hitler. Hitler is dead. you are fighting an ideology. and idea's are bulletproof. only by dismantling them through Liberal means may one ever hope to defeat them. if you simply build a monster of your own (The Alt-Left) than you simply replace the monster with a monster

 

[Father]

If they were fascists, they would at least try to organize internationally and have a conventional hierarchy, and they wouldn't end to be Anarchists. Calling them fascists is no different than called ALF or ELF fascists.

they have a mien kampf. social justice. they try and silence opposition. they blackmail and attempt to silence people in that way as well. the methods they use are the same as the brownshirts. while their ideology may be different their actions speak the same

 

[Shadow Wolf]

and Antifa does violence and calls for it. so they should be silenced?

When they call for violence, yes.

 

[Father]

Where do you get this data? There have been instances where the wrong people get caught up in violence or where there civilian damage, but this 99% number is obviously pulled straight from your nether regions.

I appreciate the ideas behind the group, but it's the wrong way to handle things.

data? thousands of videos not one actually wearing a swastika or being obviously nazi. I can link all of them if you want. its safe to say it IS 99% unless you can find me them actually hitting an actual Nazi. most the time its just people at rallies. rallies that are not nazi but may hold some nazis but they don't exactly dress in SS

 

[Father]

When they call for violence, yes.

so you see how having one group like them trying to fight another group like the neo-nazis how this gets us nowhere right?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

only by dismantling them through Liberal means may one ever hope to defeat them.

It took a war to dismantle the ideology of the Third Reich as a ruling ideology.

 

[Father]

It took a war to dismantle the ideology of the Third Reich as a ruling ideology.

it didn't destroy it. otherwise, neo-nazis would not exist today. it did take apart their power. but the Nazis hold no power here so your connection of the past is meaningless.
you are dealing with the ideology itself this decade. there is no obvious power structure or Hitler to attack. its just a disorganized group of followers.

 

[Mister Silver]

it didn't destroy it. otherwise, neo-nazis would not exist today. it did take apart their power. but the Nazis hold no power here so your connection of the past is meaningless.
you are dealing with the ideology itself this decade. there is no obvious power structure or Hitler to attack. its just a disorganized group of followers.

So long as such an ideology exists, in whatever form, it can still be dangerous.

 

[Father]

It took a war to dismantle the ideology of the Third Reich as a ruling ideology.

followers who despite almost 100 years since the actual Nazis. Still, follow it, it is not going anywhere anytime so even if you kill every neo-nazi on this continent. sorry.
you can, however, dismantle their ideas and take away what power they have through conversion and reason.