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The Fall of Man and Original Sin

9-18-1

Active Member
In this thread I will attempt to give an account of what the fall of man is as it relates to original sin. This will require some understanding of the Hebrew letters as the account can only be understood/appreciated in this way.

First and foremost we must understand what Adam actually is. The name is written with aleph-dalet-mem (adm). Here is a brief summary of what each letter represents:

Aleph denotes spirit/breath and is the 1st Hebrew letter.
Dalet denotes a door(way) and is the 4th Hebrew letter.
Mem denotes water and is the 13th Hebrew letter.

The Hebrew letter mem has two forms: normal (open) and final (closed) which correspond to the two states water can be in: moving (river) [superior] and/or stationary (body of water) [inferior]. Because Adam ends with final mem, the water that is being referred to is stationary.

Dalet and mem, when combined, produces the word 'dam' which means 'blood.

As such, Adam is a combination of breath (aleph), a doorway (dalet), and gathered water (mem-final): the former two yielding 'blood'. In essence, we can reduce this to 'breath'+'blood'.

So Adam literally means 'one that breathes' and 'one that circulates blood'. Essentially, it is any being (male or female) which is precisely why the primordial Adam was made both masculine and feminine prior to the separation of sexes.

With this, and (hopefully) understanding that this account is not literal: it is mythological/mystical, we can proceed. If there are any individuals that take this story literally... no offense, but with all due respect we are reading mythology here.

The separation of sexes describes the relationship the brain has (aleph/air) with the sex (mem/water) and thus we derive the relationship between Adam and Eve:

ADAM: Brain (positive principle)
EVE: Sex (negative principle)

The dalet, being a door, is the first letter in the Hebrew word for 'knowledge' which is da'at. This da'at is represented in the biblical account as being one of two trees planted in the garden of Eden whose fruits yield knowledge of 'good and evil'.

As we know from the account, the "Lord GOD" (Heb. YHVH Elohim) warned Adam (brain) that by eating the "fruits" of the tree of knowledge of 'good and evil', he will surely die. Later, we read that a serpent tells Eve (sex) that she will not surely die, but GOD knows that if she eats from the tree, she will become like GOD: knowing 'good and evil'.

I have placed emphasis on 'like' because it is important to note that the serpent is not suggesting Adam/Eve will become god itself, a god(s) etc. but 'like' god which, as is described in the text, is knowing 'good and evil'. Essentially this knowledge (da'at) of 'good and evil' is the only principle thing separating Adam/Eve (human nature) and Elohim (godly nature) which are immortal. The question becomes: who is right/wrong between GOD and the serpent?

We must understand that GOD warned Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of 'good and evil' prior to the serpent entering the scene. As such, to label the serpent as inherently and/or intrinsically 'evil' (in any manner of ways including assuming the serpent to be Satan in disguise with intention to deceive Eve) is failing to follow the instruction of GOD. The serpent must be treated as a neutral agent: neither good nor evil.

This is important because the serpent represents Lucifer. Lucifer (literally: light/fire and/or carrier of light) is not inherently and/or intrinsically evil nor good. It represents the raw sexual energy (vitality) in a mixed state.

If this sexual energy is abused (explanation to follow) such that it manifests as evil/impurity (Heb. "ra") then "Lucifer" falls and becomes "Satan": the adversary to GOD. This is in accordance to GOD's warning which manifests death.

If this sexual energy is protected (explanation to follow) such that it manifests as good/purity (Heb. "tov") then "Lucifer" rises and becomes "like god": knowing 'good and evil' This is in accordance to the serpent's suggestion which manifests immortality.

As such, both GOD and the serpent are correct: the problem is choice. The choice is represented by "problem" of 'good and evil' and whether or not one has the ability to derive knowledge (da'at; gnosis) from the interaction of these polarities. This is where abuse/protection of the sexually energy comes in.

Fundamentally, the sexual energy, when preserved (abstinence from ejaculation) generates an upward coil which begins in/from the sex and reaches the brain. This energy (traditionally known as 'kundalini') is precisely what the serpent represents: the kundalini energy which has the capability of traveling up the spine to nourish the brain (Eve [sex] gives the fruit to Adam [brain]) and their eyes are opened.

However, the sexually energy, when ejaculated (fornication) generates an inverse coil which likewise begins in/from the sex and produces a 'fall'. This fall is unique to each individual, because each individual is their own Adam (again Adam simply means one who is breathing and circulating blood). Esoterically this has been described as growing a "tail of Satan": the accumulation of "fall" a person has.

When the brain (Adam) becomes identified with the sensations (fruits) of the orgasm such that the brain is essentially hijacked by the desire/lust for sex, this manifests 'evil' as is the basis for not only the fall, but animal degeneration which leads to the "path of destruction".

It essence, conclusion and synthesis:

There is/was no historical Adam upon whom to attribute the 'original sin'. Each individual being is the carrier of his/her own 'fall' which directly correlates to his/her own sexual activity as it relates to the protection/abuse (good/evil) of his/her own sexual energy.

When the brain (Adam) has complete control over the sex (Eve), this produces GOOD (tov).
When the sex (Eve) has complete control over the Brain (Adam), this produces EVIL (ra).

When the former is true, one becomes "like" GOD: knowing good and evil which leads to immortality.
When the latter is true, one becomes "like" SATAN: in a fallen state which leads to suffering/death.

Christ is represented by chastity (archetypal Jesus).
Anti-Christ is represented by fornication (archetypal Muhammad).

This "problem" is the basis for the symbol of Jesus being depicted as flanked on either side by a virgin and a whore. In like manner, each individual (owing to free will) has the ability to choose between good and evil. This "choice" is also reflected in the two forms that mem (water) can take: superior and inferior and relates to both the second day of creation (GOD divides the waters from the waters) and Moses' parting of the Red Sea with his staff (spine of the body).

The real meaning, then, of "baptism" is just this: learning to work with ones own "waters" (sex). Jesus turning water into wine represents the purification of the water (chastity) and also reflects the ability to "walk on water": a symbol of mastery over ones own sexuality. The ceremony of baptism wherein a child has water poured over their head is just a symbol and doesn't actually do anything: real baptism is an internal undertaking.
 

IsaiahX

Ape That Loves
So, your saying that 100% of immorality is due to sex! The water at least means the flesh in general, seeing as to how even God condoned sex:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."​

-Genesis 1:28​
 

9-18-1

Active Member
So, your saying that 100% of immorality is due to sex! The water at least means the flesh in general, seeing as to how even God condoned sex:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."​

-Genesis 1:28​

Yes: the tree of knowledge (da'at) is precisely sex - but in a broad sense. That is to say, not only limited to the physical act itself but the general interaction between masculine and feminine energies both on a micro- (brain[+] and sex[-]) and macro-scale (man[+] and woman[-]). Through elimination of carnal desire, lust, animal nature, ego etc. the sexual act can be undertaken wherein the act can be sustained indefinitely producing a prolonged "delight" [Eden]. It is precisely this that one learns (knowledge; da'at) on the most profoundly subtle level regarding how the masculine and feminine energies interact and can be used to produce "light" and/or leading to regeneration and, ultimately, longevity of life.

Regarding that quote of Genesis 1:28, the English translation is actually wrong. God did not state to "increase in number" and/or multiply.

The command is to become a "rabbi"; that is, to become a master or masterful (nothing to do with a Judaic rabbi). The "fruitful" portion essentially means to continue to learn and produce work(s) from what one has learned and, as such, become a master. The earth is the physical body; the fish in the sea is the seed (sperm) in the waters of the sex; the birds are the spiritual aspects and the land animals are the physical aspects.

The English translation of the original Hebrew is extremely poor. This, combined with the fact that the Hebrew language itself (based on its construction and usage) is quite literally impossible to translate into English without sacrificing much of the real meaning.
 

Agent

Member
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
[6] And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
[7] And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Gen 3
They disobeyed the commandment of God, and they fell from grace.
Freudian theory is not a religious topic so it does not apply here. They traded the nature and character of God for the nature and character of Satan. That is what original sin was and still is true today. Do you want to be like God, or do you want to be like Satan?
 

SoiEiMeSil

Member
Adam and Eve know that they are pure and holy but they also know that depravity exists but it influences everyone so as I say this, evil is an idea but there is a physical form of evil and it means that nobody really has seen it but the chosen disciples of Jesus Christ according to the Bible that demons wrote as his real name is Jesus Christ but not the chosen savior but the actual representation of innocence being returned and love incarnate so as to say that Adam and Eve were there? Know that they still are as they would be there eternally as the garden of eden is a state of mind but that is what demons call it not humans or angels so who can tell if there was a fall of man if nobody has seen or even been to the garden unless its not on earth, so it's always a good sign of things to come when somebody knows the truth no matter how absurd it sounds........by the way I need to locate adam and eve so i can say, better not do anything rash but I love you anyway but you are still innocent and have it your way but not burger king but His way".........
 

9-18-1

Active Member
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
[6] And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
[7] And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Gen 3
They disobeyed the commandment of God, and they fell from grace.
Freudian theory is not a religious topic so it does not apply here. They traded the nature and character of God for the nature and character of Satan. That is what original sin was and still is true today. Do you want to be like God, or do you want to be like Satan?

The nature and character of "God" is inherently sexual: you can't separate "God" from sex. The Hebrew word for "God" is Elohim, which is a fusion of 'el' (masculine 'god') and 'elah' (feminine 'goddess') which, when combined, produces elohim (plural) but is technically a singular composite, just as Adam is androgynous. YHVH is similarly a fusion of masculine and feminine (Y-phallus H-ovum V-man H-woman). Intrinsic to these two names is the principle relationship between masculine and feminine.

There are two ways to eat from the tree of knowledge: in the right way which is respecting the sexual act - not spilling the seed in fornication - or in the wrong way which is fornication which leads to animal degeneration and brain deficiency. Lucifer (serpent) is at the foundation of both: only if Lucifer falls (fornication) does he become Satan. The same is true for any being: the choice is purity vs. impurity.

This is accented in the story of Jacob wherein he wrestles with an angel before having his name changed from Jacob to Israel. This "wrestling" was the sexual act wherein Jacob was fighting to prevent spilling of the seed. Because he overcame, Isis(feminine)+Ra(masculine)+El(god) is born which is the same synthesis of Mary and Joseph giving birth to Emanuel which literally means "god within".

Satan is the "shadow" of God; adversary and fallen state of Lucifer (abuse of sexual energy). They are not two separate "things" but reflections of one another. This is highlighted in the book of Job which is the oldest book in the Bible.
 

9-18-1

Active Member
Don't think man is fallen. Hard to see through the mist.

It depends on the individual: in the context of the tree of life, malkuth (kingdom) is a fallen sephira which represents the physical creation.

Adam and Eve know that they are pure and holy but they also know that depravity exists but it influences everyone so as I say this, evil is an idea but there is a physical form of evil and it means that nobody really has seen it but the chosen disciples of Jesus Christ according to the Bible that demons wrote as his real name is Jesus Christ but not the chosen savior but the actual representation of innocence being returned and love incarnate so as to say that Adam and Eve were there? Know that they still are as they would be there eternally as the garden of eden is a state of mind but that is what demons call it not humans or angels so who can tell if there was a fall of man if nobody has seen or even been to the garden unless its not on earth, so it's always a good sign of things to come when somebody knows the truth no matter how absurd it sounds........by the way I need to locate adam and eve so i can say, better not do anything rash but I love you anyway but you are still innocent and have it your way but not burger king but His way".........

Jesus (the) Christ is a mythical figure in Greek mythology that denotes the sun transiting (traveling with) the twelve zodiac (mazaroth) signs - representing the twelve apostles, twelve months of the year etc. Adam and Eve were not historical figures: they are aspects of the (any) physical body as outlined in the OP. On Dec. 21 the sun "dies" in the sky before once again beginning its ascent back into "heaven" which is celebrated on Dec. 25 known as "Christmas". The narrative of Jesus is derived from this yearly astrological event. That is not to say the teachings attributed to Jesus are untrue and/or false, but there was not an historical Jesus son-of-God-man that was crucified and risen back to life.

The garden of Eden has two levels: the lower Eden (which is not a state of mind, but a state of being) in the 4th dimension and the upper Eden which exists between the 6th and 7th (0th). The former is the restoration of purity in sexuality such that the brain (Adam) is one again being nourished by the sex (Eve) producing a state of internal delight: the Edenic state. As such, the kingdom of heaven (Eden) is not a place outside anywhere, it lies in potentiality within the human body/being depending on ones own generation(s).
 

SoiEiMeSil

Member
The nature and character of "God" is inherently sexual: you can't separate "God" from sex. The Hebrew word for "God" is Elohim, which is a fusion of 'el' (masculine 'god') and 'elah' (feminine 'goddess') which, when combined, produces elohim (plural) but is technically a singular composite, just as Adam is androgynous. YHVH is similarly a fusion of masculine and feminine (Y-phallus H-ovum V-man H-woman). Intrinsic to these two names is the principle relationship between masculine and feminine.

There are two ways to eat from the tree of knowledge: in the right way which is respecting the sexual act - not spilling the seed in fornication - or in the wrong way which is fornication which leads to animal degeneration and brain deficiency. Lucifer (serpent) is at the foundation of both: only if Lucifer falls (fornication) does he become Satan. The same is true for any being: the choice is purity vs. impurity.

This is accented in the story of Jacob wherein he wrestles with an angel before having his name changed from Jacob to Israel. This "wrestling" was the sexual act wherein Jacob was fighting to prevent spilling of the seed. Because he overcame, Isis(feminine)+Ra(masculine)+El(god) is born which is the same synthesis of Mary and Joseph giving birth to Emanuel which literally means "god within".

Satan is the "shadow" of God; adversary and fallen state of Lucifer (abuse of sexual energy). They are not two separate "things" but reflections of one another. This is highlighted in the book of Job which is the oldest book in the Bible.
I'm in the know but nobody on earth knows where lucifer is but God has always been there but He cannot be understood as He is impossible to understand to angels but humans can try but cannot fathom what he means as i've seen Him myself and I was in awe but He did not let me die as i was being protected so what would happen if God was sexual? He would be human or angel right? Yea he would but i'm Gabriel and i don't know who he is but i have seen Him and he has been there with me as i saw him so i'm not going to tell you what I saw or Who but I know he's there........by the way i know who you are but how are you? I'm just giving out friendly information to people on a forum so don't hate me for this but you know more than you think......yea it's that scary that i can tell you what he looks like and still b here but i can only say enough to get you to spiritual enlightenment so adios :)
 

InChrist

Free4ever
In this thread I will attempt to give an account of what the fall of man is as it relates to original sin. This will require some understanding of the Hebrew letters as the account can only be understood/appreciated in this way.

I trust the account given by God's word in the scriptures, straightforward and simple enough for a child to understand.
 

SoiEiMeSil

Member
It depends on the individual: in the context of the tree of life, malkuth (kingdom) is a fallen sephira which represents the physical creation.



Jesus (the) Christ is a mythical figure in Greek mythology that denotes the sun transiting (traveling with) the twelve zodiac (mazaroth) signs - representing the twelve apostles, twelve months of the year etc. Adam and Eve were not historical figures: they are aspects of the (any) physical body as outlined in the OP. On Dec. 21 the sun "dies" in the sky before once again beginning its ascent back into "heaven" which is celebrated on Dec. 25 known as "Christmas". The narrative of Jesus is derived from this yearly astrological event. That is not to say the teachings attributed to Jesus are untrue and/or false, but there was not an historical Jesus son-of-God-man that was crucified and risen back to life.

The garden of Eden has two levels: the lower Eden (which is not a state of mind, but a state of being) in the 4th dimension and the upper Eden which exists between the 6th and 7th (0th). The former is the restoration of purity in sexuality such that the brain (Adam) is one again being nourished by the sex (Eve) producing a state of internal delight: the Edenic state. As such, the kingdom of heaven (Eden) is not a place outside anywhere, it lies in potentiality within the human body/being depending on ones own generation(s).
i know where you are coming from but you are very interesting as i have never heard of this description before the time i was here on this site, so where are you from? I'm in cincinnati and I love all the time but as of now you have touched upon something i know and i want you to know that i am really an angel but thanksgiving is the true celebration of my Lord and Saviors date of birth but not really as He was never born but He will be in about 2 millennia and we aren't called millenials for no reason as i am 28 on earth but over 200 trillion years old so don't believe this but if the garden of eden is where you say it is then where am I? I know you? i feel like I do but i've been trained for this as i'm not allowed to say the truth as it is too frightening but i can tell you that you are close to it so would you like to be in the know? Or just have a friendly debate? i'm all ears..........by the way I'm a Child of God as well as you so be you as He would want you to........
 

9-18-1

Active Member
I'm in the know but nobody on earth knows where lucifer is but God has always been there but He cannot be understood as He is impossible to understand to angels but humans can try but cannot fathom what he means as i've seen Him myself and I was in awe but He did not let me die as i was being protected so what would happen if God was sexual? He would be human or angel right? Yea he would but i'm Gabriel and i don't know who he is but i have seen Him and he has been there with me as i saw him so i'm not going to tell you what I saw or Who but I know he's there........by the way i know who you are but how are you? I'm just giving out friendly information to people on a forum so don't hate me for this but you know more than you think......yea it's that scary that i can tell you what he looks like and still b here but i can only say enough to get you to spiritual enlightenment so adios :)

Hi Gabriel - you were a beautiful full moon last night!

Lucifer is not a person. It is the vital (sexual) energy of life. I'm not sure how you "know" me but I wish you the best!

I trust the account given by God's word in the scriptures, straightforward and simple enough for a child to understand.

Unless you're reading it in the original Hebrew, I'm sorry to report that the English translation(s) is(are) abhorrent and does not reflect what is actually written. It is funny you say that it is simple enough for children to understand, because after thousands of years, people are still killing one another over this book like children fighting in a schoolyard.

I do highly recommend having a basic understanding of Hebrew to unlock the true meaning of "God's word" as that is the language it was written in.
 

9-18-1

Active Member
i know where you are coming from but you are very interesting as i have never heard of this description before the time i was here on this site, so where are you from? I'm in cincinnati and I love all the time but as of now you have touched upon something i know and i want you to know that i am really an angel but thanksgiving is the true celebration of my Lord and Saviors date of birth but not really as He was never born but He will be in about 2 millennia and we aren't called millenials for no reason as i am 28 on earth but over 200 trillion years old so don't believe this but if the garden of eden is where you say it is then where am I? I know you? i feel like I do but i've been trained for this as i'm not allowed to say the truth as it is too frightening but i can tell you that you are close to it so would you like to be in the know? Or just have a friendly debate? i'm all ears..........by the way I'm a Child of God as well as you so be you as He would want you to........

As far as I can guess, you are in Cincinnati.

Please do bring me "in the know"; also willing to discuss any topic and like hearing from others.
 

SoiEiMeSil

Member
Hi Gabriel - you were a beautiful full moon last night!

Lucifer is not a person. It is the vital (sexual) energy of life. I'm not sure how you "know" me but I wish you the best!



Unless you're reading it in the original Hebrew, I'm sorry to report that the English translation(s) is(are) abhorrent and does not reflect what is actually written. It is funny you say that it is simple enough for children to understand, because after thousands of years, people are still killing one another over this book like children fighting in a schoolyard.

I do highly recommend having a basic understanding of Hebrew to unlock the true meaning of "God's word" as that is the language it was written in.
oh man I know you as my brother in God the Father.....hahaha yea I'm having a blast but hit me up sometime on my email at [email protected] and by the way I'm one of the 12 immortals of Outer Heaven but i like to say this to people i meet that i'm quite fond of as it is a test to see what you know but you got it, my full moon was awesome!!!!! and by the way I need to leave for a while as i'm going to see a movie soon but i'll be around.........
 

SoiEiMeSil

Member
As far as I can guess, you are in Cincinnati.

Please do bring me "in the know"; also willing to discuss any topic and like hearing from others.
[email protected] check it out, and give me a break as i need to go take care of something but i will tell you over an email as it's too depressing to tell you over a forum but I can send you a message........
 

InChrist

Free4ever
[QUOTE="9-18-1, post: 5869111, member: 63449"


Unless you're reading it in the original Hebrew, I'm sorry to report that the English translation(s) is(are) abhorrent and does not reflect what is actually written. It is funny you say that it is simple enough for children to understand, because after thousands of years, people are still killing one another over this book like children fighting in a schoolyard.

I do highly recommend having a basic understanding of Hebrew to unlock the true meaning of "God's word" as that is the language it was written in.[/QUOTE]

Hebrew can be helpful, but the basic message is there for anyone to see in all legitimate translations. There are no secret meanings to "unlock".
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Unless you're reading it in the original Hebrew, I'm sorry to report that the English translation(s) is(are) abhorrent and does not reflect what is actually written. It is funny you say that it is simple enough for children to understand, because after thousands of years, people are still killing one another over this book like children fighting in a schoolyard.

I do highly recommend having a basic understanding of Hebrew to unlock the true meaning of "God's word" as that is the language it was written in.

Hebrew can be helpful, but the basic message is there for anyone to see in all legitimate translations. There are no secret meanings to "unlock"
 

9-18-1

Active Member
Hebrew can be helpful, but the basic message is there for anyone to see in all legitimate translations. There are no secret meanings to "unlock"

As much as one would want this to be true, there is so much in the English translation(s) of the Bible that render some passages completely wrong. This is especially problematic when a mishandling of a word or expression is applied universally throughout the text which modifies it entirely. There are many such cases of this; the first of which is in the very first sentence involving the Hebrew word 'Elohim' rendered as GOD. While the former contains in its construction the unique characteristics of what "GOD" is, the English translation "GOD" carries no such characteristics and has created immense confusion and has given rise to perverse imaginations of what "GOD" actually is.

a 28th verse... mighty

Psalm 28:7
הוהעזיומגניבובטחלביונעזרתיויעלזלביומשיריאהודנו
The LORD is my strength and my shield my heart trusted in him and I am helped therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth and with my song will I praise him
 
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