The Fallen Angel

[Deeje]

Thank you, but, I'm looking for scripture that supports God educating Adam. See below:

I thought I gave it to you.....
Genesis 2:19-20...
"19 And the Lord God formed from the earth every beast of the field and every fowl of the heavens, and He brought [it] to man to see what he would call it, and whatever the man called each living thing, that was its name. יטוַיִּ֩צֶר֩ יְהֹוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים מִן־הָֽאֲדָמָ֗ה כָּל־חַיַּ֤ת הַשָּׂדֶה֙ וְאֵת֙ כָּל־ע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וַיָּבֵא֙ אֶל־הָ֣אָדָ֔ם לִרְא֖וֹת מַה־יִּקְרָא־ל֑וֹ וְכֹל֩ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִקְרָא־ל֧וֹ הָֽאָדָ֛ם נֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּ֖ה ה֥וּא שְׁמֽוֹ:
20 And man named all the cattle and the fowl of the heavens and all the beasts of the field, but for man, he did not find a helpmate opposite him. כוַיִּקְרָ֨א הָֽאָדָ֜ם שֵׁמ֗וֹת לְכָל־הַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּלְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וּלְכֹ֖ל חַיַּ֣ת הַשָּׂדֶ֑ה וּלְאָדָ֕ם לֹֽא־מָצָ֥א עֵ֖זֶר כְּנֶגְדּֽוֹ:"

If God allowed Adam to name every beast and bird....Adam would have had to observe these creatures in order to give them appropriate names. Names in Bible times were meaningful, so these names were not just random terms, but fitting descriptions of each creature after careful observation of their appearance and traits. This was all part of Adam's education, deemed necessary before he was to become a husband and father.

There is no way that the Genesis "days" could have been 24 hour periods. That exercise would have been a lengthy and extensive education all by itself, and this was all before God created his mate. Do you think God just abandoned Adam and left him to it? Or would he have been like any good Father to his child, keenly interested in his acquiring knowledge and in his personal development?

 

[dybmh]

I thought I gave it to you.....
Genesis 2:19-20...
"19 And the Lord God formed from the earth every beast of the field and every fowl of the heavens, and He brought [it] to man to see what he would call it, and whatever the man called each living thing, that was its name. יטוַיִּ֩צֶר֩ יְהֹוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים מִן־הָֽאֲדָמָ֗ה כָּל־חַיַּ֤ת הַשָּׂדֶה֙ וְאֵת֙ כָּל־ע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וַיָּבֵא֙ אֶל־הָ֣אָדָ֔ם לִרְא֖וֹת מַה־יִּקְרָא־ל֑וֹ וְכֹל֩ אֲשֶׁ֨ר יִקְרָא־ל֧וֹ הָֽאָדָ֛ם נֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּ֖ה ה֥וּא שְׁמֽוֹ:
20 And man named all the cattle and the fowl of the heavens and all the beasts of the field, but for man, he did not find a helpmate opposite him. כוַיִּקְרָ֨א הָֽאָדָ֜ם שֵׁמ֗וֹת לְכָל־הַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּלְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וּלְכֹ֖ל חַיַּ֣ת הַשָּׂדֶ֑ה וּלְאָדָ֕ם לֹֽא־מָצָ֥א עֵ֖זֶר כְּנֶגְדּֽוֹ:"

If God allowed Adam to name every beast and bird....Adam would have had to observe these creatures in order to give them appropriate names. Names in Bible times were meaningful, so these names were not just random terms, but fitting descriptions of each creature after careful observation of their appearance and traits. This was all part of Adam's education, deemed necessary before he was to become a husband and father.

There is no way that the Genesis "days" could have been 24 hour periods. That exercise would have been a lengthy and extensive education all by itself, and this was all before God created his mate. Do you think God just abandoned Adam and left him to it? Or would he have been like any good Father to his child, keenly interested in his acquiring knowledge and in his personal development?

OK. Thank you. That makes sense except I would have expected Adam to warn Eve about the serpent if he had detailed knowledge from God as described above.

 

[Deeje]

OK. Thank you. That makes sense except I would have expected Adam to warn Eve about the serpent if he had detailed knowledge from God as described above.

He warned Eve about God's command NOT to eat of the forbidden fruit.....that should have been enough.
It was said of the serpent..."Now the serpent was cunning, more than all the beasts of the field that the Lord God had made".....so for the adversary to take the form of a serpent would have been in character IMO. Cunning means calculating..."having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion"....doesn't it?

God's sentencing of the serpent was....Genesis 3...
"14 And the Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed be you more than all the cattle and more than all the beasts of the field; you shall walk on your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life."

Was God actually talking to a literal serpent, or was this directed at the adversary directly, but in metaphoric terms?

Then we find directly following, the Bible's first prophesy....

"15 And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel."

What do you make of that?

 

[WhoIsBeast 750]

He warned Eve about God's command NOT to eat of the forbidden fruit.....that should have been enough.
It was said of the serpent..."Now the serpent was cunning, more than all the beasts of the field that the Lord God had made".....so for the adversary to take the form of a serpent would have been in character IMO. Cunning means calculating..."having or showing skill in achieving one's ends by deceit or evasion"....doesn't it?

God's sentencing of the serpent was....Genesis 3...
"14 And the Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed be you more than all the cattle and more than all the beasts of the field; you shall walk on your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life."

Was God actually talking to a literal serpent, or was this directed at the adversary directly, but in metaphoric terms?

Then we find directly following, the Bible's first prophesy....

"15 And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel."

What do you make of that?

In general, the parable, however, as far as the head is concerned, is represented in the parable of John (according to which it can be concluded that he could even have been crucified
simply by the expression head
and what is a snake? an opponent or a lawyer? and the woman is the church, so according to this verse, God has placed enmity between John and the church
and the church is a false twisted prophecy

 

[Deeje]

In general, the parable, however, as far as the head is concerned, is represented in the parable of John (according to which it can be concluded that he could even have been crucified
simply by the expression head
and what is a snake? an opponent or a lawyer? and the woman is the church, so according to this verse, God has placed enmity between John and the church
and the church is a false twisted prophecy

Not sure I understood any of that...

The first prophesy in Genesis was not understood until Jesus came. The players in this prophesy were all part of the sacred mystery that was revealed in Christ. (Colossians 1:26)

What does the prophesy say....?
Genesis 3:15....
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”
This sets the scene for the whole Bible.

Who is being addressed here? God is telling the serpent (satan) that there would be hatred between him and the woman and between his seed and the seed of the woman. So who is the woman? Was it Eve? That is not possible because Eve died but the devil didn't.

Now, since the serpent addressed by God is an invisible spirit, we should expect that the woman also belongs to the spirit realm.
Revelation 12:1-6 indicates that this woman is seen in heaven giving birth. So this is a figurative woman with a figurative "male child" and the devil was going to try and snatch the child away, but he had God's protection.

The seed of the devil is all who treat him as a father. The religious leaders of Jesus' day were told that they were 'from their father the devil because they wanted to do the will of the devil' and not God. So the devil's seed are those who oppose God's son and his faithful disciples.

The devil was going to deliver a heel wound (painful and temporarily disabling, but not fatal) to the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) but Jesus was going to deliver a fatal head wound to the devil. That is what the whole Bible is about.

 

[firedragon]

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

If Adam (mankind) fell for eating the forbidden fruit of fighting, and God says now he has become like one of us, why is Adam fallen then, would it be true that the fallen archangel of light, Lucifer is a moral being, not a satan at all, is God fallen (in love) too?

thoughts and opinions please

Which verse are you referring to when you say "fallen archangel of light, Lucifer"?

 

[Colt]

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

If Adam (mankind) fell for eating the forbidden fruit of fighting, and God says now he has become like one of us, why is Adam fallen then, would it be true that the fallen archangel of light, Lucifer is a moral being, not a satan at all, is God fallen (in love) too?

thoughts and opinions please

Lucifer had already fallen. The "crafty beast" was already evil when he sought to trip up Adam and Eves work on earth.

 

[Colt]

How, specifically, did he mislead Eve?
It can't be a sin ─ at the time she ate the fruit, she had no knowledge of good and evil, so was incapable of forming an intention to do wrong, so was incapable of sin.

The same is true of Adam.

And I take it you'd agree that Eve did a good thing, bringing humans knowledge of good and evil, yes? It would be a massive injustice to blame her for such a benefit.

Or do you think it's a pity we ever figured that out?
Nothing in the story suggests that Adam or Eve had ever used the fruit of the tree of life. The express and only reason they were expelled was so that they never could do so.

The Crafty Beast convinced Eve that if she were to mate with one of the Nodites from outside of the garden, her superior genes injected into the races would speed up the rehabilitation of the previously fallen world. Once Adam discovered Eves folly he deliberately did the same thing to share Eves fate as Adam knew he would be left alone to manage things. Its part sin (deliberate disloyalty to deity) and part love story. Both repented of their error and sought to salvage what they could before dyeing the mortal death.

"Good and evil" meant mixing her short sited plan with the more far reaching plan of world rehabilitation; hew will vs Gods will.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Which verse are you referring to when you say "fallen archangel of light, Lucifer"?

Genesis 3:22 you have become like one of us to know of good & evil, which is forbidden.

 

[firedragon]

Genesis 3:22 you have become like one of us to know of good & evil, which is forbidden.

Which verse are you referring to when you say "fallen archangel of light, Lucifer"?

Maybe you didnt understand the question.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Which verse are you referring to when you say "fallen archangel of light, Lucifer"?

Maybe you didnt understand the question.

Hashtag rude.

 

[WhoIsBeast 750]

when they can't prove it's a fallen angel, they kick around like little kids to be after hers
I even experienced a man who cried when he couldn't argue and got lost in his own words to what such people
a few people from here know the truth but don't reveal it and do you know why?

 

[firedragon]

Hashtag rude.

Haha. Okay okay. I submit.

 

[Colt]

Fallen son of God, not your average angel. Lucifer wouldn't have been able to "fool the whole world" unless he was in a position to do so. And the Gods wouldn't have allowed it unless the Father was already forgiving, allowing time for Lucifer and his followers would repent.

 

[whosetosay...]

Satan isn’t the same as Lucifer. Satan is the devil, Lucifer is a fallen angel. God says he has become as one of us to know of good and evil, so God is either a hypocrite, or He is the father of Lucifer. The fallen angel is knowledge, while hate , and war are good and evil, thus you have knowledge of good and evil.

Please show us what verses you base the above upon. If, you are going to make your accusation against God other than a personal opinion you must provide evidence for your way of thinking and not personal opinion. Something which usually never comes. If in court would your accusation stick and provide a sentence?

 

[whosetosay...]

Yes, but just to elaborate on a few points here...."The tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was NOT a tree of knowledge.This was specific knowledge. God had educated Adam quite extensively before he created a mate for him, so he did not lack knowledge per se. He knew what disobedience meant....and he knew what death was.

Before the fall they could not die. After the fall death came in many ways and separation from God in all manners was to exist for mankind. Shown by the many different beliefs and atheism too.
Putting that great weight on Adam if you were the first man whom would you believe. Do you believe it is a lie in the book of Genesis where the serpent/snake is punished ?14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
What the verse tells us it that the serpent was an animal..

What that tree represented was God's Sovereign right to determine what was good and what was evil. He had placed that knowledge in his own jurisdiction. If you look at the human experience from that point on, you will see that humans are really lousy at determining good from evil....sometime they both look the same.

Where in the bible has God's Sovereign right determined good and evil. The bible has always revealed God revealing to mankind the truth of right and wrong. Before the law came man was not convicted of sin. When God gave man the Law the first commandment was to love God and to have no other god and in truth he told them there was no other God. King James Bible
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

The Covenants were all about knowing the truth about God and understanding what is right from wrong. It was coming to God and knowing him.Gods way not mans according to the bible,

The lesson here was that no one knows better than our Creator what is good for us. If the humans had simply obeyed that one command and refused to abuse their free will as satan had done, we would not be in this mess.....Christ would never have had to come into the world to redeem us, and Adam and his wife would still be here marveling at all their progeny. Only disobedience brought death, if they had obeyed, they would have lived forever....in perfect surroundings with no evil ever entering their lives. The tree of life was a guarantee of never dying even in mortal flesh. But once they had sinned, access to that tree was denied and death came to all of Adam's offspring.



Interesting that satan was actually a cherub in the garden of Eden. (Angels that are usually placed in a guardianship capacity, as seen when God stationed a cherub to guard the way to the tree of life after their defection and eviction from the garden.) This explains his presence there. It also explains how he calculated his moves after observing the blossoming relationship between the man and his new mate. It is why he targeted the woman and not the man. Adam was older and more educated than she was. By tempting the woman to take the fruit (by lying to her) he hoped to get the man to join her, (dividing his loyalties) thereby separating both of them from their Creator so that he could get their worship for himself. When he told her she could be like God....he really meant that he wanted to be like God. He gave himself away when he tried to tempt Jesus to do an act of worship to him after his baptism....but Jesus refused. Adam could have too.

Yes, but just to elaborate on a few points here...."The tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was NOT a tree of knowledge.This was specific knowledge. God had educated Adam quite extensively before he created a mate for him, so he did not lack knowledge per se. He knew what disobedience meant....and he knew what death was.

What that tree represented was God's Sovereign right to determine what was good and what was evil. He had placed that knowledge in his own jurisdiction. If you look at the human experience from that point on, you will see that humans are really lousy at determining good from evil....sometime they both look the same.

The lesson here was that no one knows better than our Creator what is good for us. If the humans had simply obeyed that one command and refused to abuse their free will as satan had done, we would not be in this mess.....Christ would never have had to come into the world to redeem us, and Adam and his wife would still be here marveling at all their progeny. Only disobedience brought death, if they had obeyed, they would have lived forever....in perfect surroundings with no evil ever entering their lives. The tree of life was a guarantee of never dying even in mortal flesh. But once they had sinned, access to that tree was denied and death came to all of Adam's offspring.



Interesting that satan was actually a cherub in the garden of Eden. (Angels that are usually placed in a guardianship capacity, as seen when God stationed a cherub to guard the way to the tree of life after their defection and eviction from the garden.) This explains his presence there. It also explains how he calculated his moves after observing the blossoming relationship between the man and his new mate. It is why he targeted the woman and not the man. Adam was older and more educated than she was. By tempting the woman to take the fruit (by lying to her) he hoped to get the man to join her, (dividing his loyalties) thereby separating both of them from their Creator so that he could get their worship for himself. When he told her she could be like God....he really meant that he wanted to be like God. He gave himself away when he tried to tempt Jesus to do an act of worship to him after his baptism....but Jesus refused. Adam could have too.

Yes, but just to elaborate on a few points here...."The tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was NOT a tree of knowledge.This was specific knowledge. God had educated Adam quite extensively before he created a mate for him, so he did not lack knowledge per se. He knew what disobedience meant....and he knew what death was.

What that tree represented was God's Sovereign right to determine what was good and what was evil. He had placed that knowledge in his own jurisdiction. If you look at the human experience from that point on, you will see that humans are really lousy at determining good from evil....sometime they both look the same.

The lesson here was that no one knows better than our Creator what is good for us. If the humans had simply obeyed that one command and refused to abuse their free will as satan had done, we would not be in this mess.....Christ would never have had to come into the world to redeem us, and Adam and his wife would still be here marveling at all their progeny. Only disobedience brought death, if they had obeyed, they would have lived forever....in perfect surroundings with no evil ever entering their lives. The tree of life was a guarantee of never dying even in mortal flesh. But once they had sinned, access to that tree was denied and death came to all of Adam's offspring.



Interesting that satan was actually a cherub in the garden of Eden. (Angels that are usually placed in a guardianship capacity, as seen when God stationed a cherub to guard the way to the tree of life after their defection and eviction from the garden.) This explains his presence there. It also explains how he calculated his moves after observing the blossoming relationship between the man and his new mate. It is why he targeted the woman and not the man. Adam was older and more educated than she was. By tempting the woman to take the fruit (by lying to her) he hoped to get the man to join her, (dividing his loyalties) thereby separating both of them from their Creator so that he could get their worship for himself. When he told her she could be like God....he really meant that he wanted to be like God. He gave himself away when he tried to tempt Jesus to do an act of worship to him after his baptism....but Jesus refused. Adam could have too.

Hi Deeje,

Reading through your post makes God sound human and worse still to have human traits like incompetence or that man is capable of controlling his own destiny. Do you believe what you write is your opinion or really reflects an all powerful God who is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. What it does not explain is why God being omnipresent allowed Adam and Eve to make their choices when what they did was ultimately against Gods will for them? God having told the end from the beginning proves that in everything a man says or does, that Gods will, will still be done. If, Satan was a cherub what difference would it make to Gods will being done? Satan made the same mistake.... he thought killing Jesus off, he would stop the will of God. But really Gods will for Jesus was centred around knowing what Satan would do and failing to see, as with Adam God knows all the consequences and he works all things to the good of mankind.

 

[whosetosay...]

Satan isn’t the same as Lucifer. Satan is the devil, Lucifer is a fallen angel. God says he has become as one of us to know of good and evil, so God is either a hypocrite, or He is the father of Lucifer. The fallen angel is knowledge, while hate , and war are good and evil, thus you have knowledge of good and evil.

Relativity ...

"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
Proverbs 16:4, KJV

In relation to truth your opinion and view has not basis in the biblical relation between man and God.

If your friend told you to jump off a cliff and it would make you all-powerful would you do it?

You have an understanding of all things which surround you which may be very little in the great scheme of things.
Who knows better? You, Satan or God? Good and evil existed before man created and Satan shows free will was there too.Don't blame God for mans choice or yours and Adams. You know what is right or wrong and what is good for you.
So if you jump off the Cliff are you really able to say you did the right thing and your choice was the right one?
Everything is about choices we makes.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

Lucifer is not the name of the Devil, his actual name is never mentioned in the Bible.
This is a common misconception.

Isaiah 14:3,4 "When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:"

The only verse which contains "lucifer"

Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

This passage is not in reference to a fallen angle but an earthly king (the king of Babylon).

The word “lucifer” in the Vulgate is not a proper name. It is simply a translation from the Hebrew word “heylel” (or “halal” or “helel”), found in the Hebrew Masoretic text.

In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the king of Babylon is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, Hebrew for "shining one, son of the morning"). The title "Helel ben Shahar" refers to the planet Venus as the morning star, and that is how the Hebrew word is usually interpreted. The The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as Ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), "bringer of dawn", the Ancient Greek name for the morning star. Similarly the Vulgate renders הֵילֵל in Latin as Lucifer, the name in that language for the morning star. The English translation given in the King James text is the Latin name for the planet Venus, "Lucifer"

The Bible translators translated the Hebrew word הֵילֵ֣ל or "helel" as “lucifer.” Helel comes from a root meaning “shining one.” However, Lucifer isn’t an English translation of the Hebrew word helel. It’s a Latin translation of the word. The KJV translators borrowed the word Lucifer from the Vulgate, the Latin translation of the Bible. In Latin Lucifer has the sense of “light-bearing” and “morning star.” Rather than translate the Hebrew word helel as “shining one” or “morning star” like modern translations do, the KJV translators inserted the Latin term “lucifer” and capitalized it in this verse. Since people thought this passage was referring to Satan, Lucifer became synonymous with Satan’s name.

Greek: ὁ ἑωσφόρος ὁ πρωὶ ἀνατέλλων | ho heōsphoros ho prōi anatellōn trans.: the Day Star, which used to rise early in the morning

Latin lucifer qui mane oriebaris trans: O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning

The Devil's name is never mentioned in the Bible. Even in the book of Job, where our English translations call him Satan, that isn’t what we find in Hebrew. Satan is a translation of the Hebrew word “satan” which means adversary. In Job the word “satan” has “the” in front of it. It would be more accurate to translate each occurrence in Job as “the adversary.”

Names are important to God, a person’s name reflects their character. We see this when God changed the names of Abram to Abraham Genesis 17:4-6 and Jacob to Israel Genesis 32:29. To know someone's personal names makes it possible to cultivate a relationship with them, the Bible tell us to oppose the devil. God does not want us getting to know Satan the Devil. It stands to reason he wouldn't give us the personal name of a powerful spirit creature who is our proclaimed enemy, according to the Bible.

 

[Etritonakin]

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

If Adam (mankind) fell for eating the forbidden fruit of fighting, and God says now he has become like one of us, why is Adam fallen then, would it be true that the fallen archangel of light, Lucifer is a moral being, not a satan at all, is God fallen (in love) too?

thoughts and opinions please

Not actually sure what you mean, but while any being is in a sinful state -has shown they will choose error -their ability to affect everything is limited -though God uses their tendency toward error to eventually remove that tendency altogether.

Names in the bible were changed at times to reflect new situations, conditions, states, etc. -such as when Simon was renamed Peter (the rock upon which the church would be built).
A once-obedient archangel was renamed adversary/destroyer when he became such.

Satan and the sinning angels -all of whom are called sons of God and were once obedient to the law of love -are in a state of restraint -described as "in prison" -after ascending "above the heights of the clouds" in an attempt at a coup against God's throne -after which they were cast back to Earth (their "first estate" -or part if it).

After that, God prepared/repaired the Earth for man to be made in his image (man will eventually judge the affairs of the angels, but is now "a little while lower"). Man is literally limited to the Earth by the fact that our bodies are bound to it.
Adam -and man afterward -was kept from being immortal by being cut off from the tree of life -because of knowing BOTH good and evil -but mainly because man would certainly DO both good and evil.
When we are like God in that we can KNOW both but only DO good -then we will be given access to eternal life and the rest of the creation

The general idea is to keep us from the rest of the universe until we will not destroy it also -as the sinning angels did to Earth -and as man is doing now to Earth.
We are all now in a limited, localized, manageable environment as we are made perfect.

It would certainly be God's will that Satan become as God's prodigal son (and also the rest), but Satan would need to become willing -and that is between them. (the archangel ...when disputing with the devil ...dared not bring a railing accusation against him, but rather said 'the Lord rebuke thee')

Any created being's body and spirit can be destroyed in gehenna, but that is not to say they will be. If they can be brought to repentance, that is between them and God.

Meanwhile, God purposefully allows angels and man to be affected by each other in the localized environment -psychologically and otherwise -so that we gain an experience base -so that we may all eventually choose to not repeat this mess ever again.

Newly-created beings can be given many things, but not personal experience. We are all basically moral beings if we have the capacity to act morally or immorally -but until we are perfected so that we act only morally, we are basically not getting of this rock hurling through space -or its general vicinity.

 

[Norman Beall]

Not actually sure what you mean, but while any being is in a sinful state -has shown they will choose error -their ability to affect everything is limited -though God uses their tendency toward error to eventually remove that tendency altogether.

Satan and the sinning angels -all of whom are called sons of God and were once obedient to the law of love -are in a state of restraint -described as "in prison" -after ascending "above the heights of the clouds" in an attempt at a coup against God's throne -after which they were cast back to Earth (their "first estate" -or part if it).

After that, God prepared/repaired the Earth for man to be made in his image. Man is literally limited to the Earth by the fact that our bodies are bound to it.
Adam -and man afterward -was kept from being immortal by being cut off from the tree of life -because of knowing BOTH good and evil -but mainly because man would certainly DO both good and evil.
When we are like God in that we can KNOW both but only DO good -then we will be given access to eternal life and the rest of the creation

The general idea is to keep us from the rest of the universe until we will not destroy it also -as the sinning angels did to Earth -and as man is doing now to Earth.
We are all now in a limited, localized, manageable environment as we are made perfect.

It would certainly be God's will that Satan become as God's prodigal son (and also the rest), but Satan would need to become willing -and that is between them. (the archangel ...when disputing with the devil ...dared not bring a railing accusation against him, but rather said 'the Lord rebuke thee')

Any created being's body and spirit can be destroyed in gehenna, but that is not to say they will be. If they can be brought to repentance, that is between them and God.

Meanwhile, God purposefully allows angels and man to be affected by each other in the localized environment -psychologically and otherwise -so that we gain an experience base -so that we may all eventually choose to not repeat this mess ever again.

Newly-created beings can be given many things, but not personal experience. We are all basically moral beings if we have the capacity to act morally or immorally -but until we are perfected so that we act only morally, we are basically not getting of this rock hurling through space -or its general vicinity.

Neither satan nor his angels are the sons of God. The angels of satan are those that think to highly of themself. No son of God would ever do this, as every son of God knows his true stature.