PureX
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But you're still completely focused on cosmological physics, rather then on existential philosophy. Which only exemplifies, to me, how intellectually limited 'scientism' is.
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The Fatal Flaw of the Cosmological Argument
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PureX
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Nothing exists in chaos but chaos. For any 'thing' to exist, but chaos, the chaos must be limited: ordered.
I am not sure you understand what chaos is but rather you take the religious word.
Where is the order in the universe?
Where is the order in a chromosome?
On the other hand, I see existential philosophy as rather trivial and beside the point. In general, philosophy is best when it is looking at possibilities and not saying they are reality. The point of science is to determine which of the possibilities is real.
I'm sure the chemists will be delighted to hear that.
Subduction Zone
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They have their own laws but "Cause and Effect" is not one of them. They tend to get a little bit more specific than that.I'm sure the chemists will be delighted to hear that.
I'll second this wholeheartedly. Go to any reasonably advanced physics book. There simply is no 'Law of Cause and Effect'.
In fact, the closest you get to such is a 'causality' assumption in quantum field theory that states that two events that are timelike-separated have zero correlation. In other words, correlations travel at most at the speed of light.
But this is *very* far from stating what is required for a Kalam argument to go through.
I'm sure the chemists will be delighted to hear that.
Can you find a chemistry book that explicitly states a 'Law of Cause and Effect'?
You missed the point.
You missed the point.
Fair enough. What was the point?
To be fair, with the possible exception of theists who actually studied science.
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Subduction Zone
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The second time I made that error with this thread. You are right, I should have said "users of the Kalam".
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Because no scientist considers Kalam plausible. /s
Enh. Some people are good at compartmentalizing. I've heard stories of young earth creationist geologists; I have no doubt that there are scientists who accept the KCA as sound.
So long as they dont teach.
I'm sure some do.
Oh my... What is this world coming too. Shouldn't be allowed i tell ya! Shouldn't be allowed.
My high school geography teacher was a young earth creationist. Before we started on physical geography, he told us that he felt that he had to say that he disagreed with a number of the things he would be teaching us.
At least you had an honest and conscientious geography teacher.
PureX
Veteran Member
If you can't recognize order in a chromosome, or in the structure of the universe, nothing I can say will help you. Sorry.