The features (or nature) of nature

[kalyan]

Excuse you but if you had read my post I just pointed out the flaw in your "logic".

My foolish mind? It is foolish to ask questions and seek evidence?

Excuse me but if you cannot show me the evidence that you base your belief one, then what does that make you?

I asked for a counter example to the logic that a non conscious/non-sentient thing just cannot work themselves without a conscious entity backing it, which you failed to give.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I asked for a counter example to the logic that a non conscious/non-sentient thing just cannot work themselves without a conscious entity backing it, which you failed to give.

Actually I do not have to give one, you made an assertion without evidence so I can dismiss it just as easily.

But just to humor you: A virus has no consciousness, but interacts with its surrounding purely through chemical responses.

 

[kalyan]

Actually I do not have to give one, you made an assertion without evidence so I can dismiss it just as easily.

But just to humor you: A virus has no consciousness, but interacts with its surrounding purely through chemical responses.

I think you got me on wrong foot here, I already have given you logical evidence which is just observe your own body but you failed to give one back to me. You ofcourse do not know a zilch about it but when you eat food which is mostly material with zero knowledge and which when goes inside is sent to different parts of your body exactly where they need to go to support this body of yours. If you would give a little thought, you would be able to comprehend that. Things that are happening right now in your body are not magic, they are because of a inner knowledgeable entity which clearly knows where to send what and which resides in everything in the universe( we call it Vaisvanara that does it in your body).

Secondly you cannot seriously think, virus does not have knowledge.... it knows how to interact and what cells to target and what defense it should employ..Clearly There is a conscious entity behind it.....Call it sat, brahma, parabrahma whatever you like...So your example of virus clearly fails any sense of logic

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I think you got me on wrong foot here, I already have given you logical evidence which is just observe your own body but you failed to give one back to me. You ofcourse do not know a zilch about it but when you eat food which is mostly material with zero knowledge and which when goes inside is sent to different parts of your body exactly where they need to go to support this body of yours. If you would give a little thought, you would be able to comprehend that. Things that are happening right now in your body are not magic, they are because of a inner knowledgeable entity which clearly knows where to send what and which resides in everything in the universe( we call it Vaisvanara that does it in your body).

Secondly you cannot seriously think, virus does not have knowledge.... it knows how to interact and what cells to target and what defense it should employ..Clearly There is a conscious entity behind it.....Call it sat, brahma, parabrahma whatever you like

Knowledge:
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

By definition, only people can have knowledge.

You are saying that Viasvarna is real because the processes in your body are caused by Viasvarna.

That is circular logic.

Do you know what circular logic is?

 

[kalyan]

Knowledge:
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

By definition, only people can have knowledge.

You are saying that Viasvarna is real because the processes in your body are caused by Viasvarna.

That is circular logic.

Do you know what circular logic is?

I know what it is, we just call that/name it as vaisvanara which is doing the things in the body, end of it....its not circular.
Second instead of getting into semantics, you failed to give me atleast anything supportive of your argument. let me ask you a straight question, do you think things that happen inside your own body are by magic ?

 

[atanu]

For moderators: Please move this thread out of Hinduism Dir.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I know what it is, we just call that/name it as vaisvanara which is doing the things in the body, end of it....its not circular.
Second instead of getting into semantics, you failed to give me atleast anything supportive of your argument. let me ask you a straight question, do you think things that happen inside your own body are by magic ?

What argument should by defending?

I have not claimed anything outside of the rules of logic and that a virus is not conscious.

Of course what happens inside my body is not magic, it happens through the interaction of energy inside my own body that follows a specific pattern based on the nature of spacetime around it.

 

[GentleBubble]

For moderators: Please move this thread out of Hinduism Dir.

what if I am a Hindu and have asked other Hindus in particular??

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

For moderators: Please move this thread out of Hinduism Dir.

I would hope the thread creator would do so.

But as I am not actually arguing that Hinduism is false, I am not breaking dir.

 

[kalyan]

What argument should by defending?

I have not claimed anything outside of the rules of logic and that a virus is not conscious.

Of course what happens inside my body is not magic, it happens through the interaction of energy inside my own body that follows a specific pattern based on the nature of spacetime around it.

is energy knowledgeable or conscious or does it depend on someone or something ? energy is an attribute(dharmam in sanskrit), it cannot exist without a dharmi(thing which owns that attribute)..If you re-read your posts, you would see complete lack of logic..

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

is energy knowledgeable or conscious or does it depend on someone or something ? energy is an attribute(dharmam in sanskrit), it cannot exist without a dharmi(thing which owns that attribute)..If you re-read your posts, you would see complete lack of logic..

To your first question: Neither. Those are not mutually exclusive.

To your second question; Actually no, science has proven that energy and matter can exist independent of each other and in fact be converted from one to the other.

You in fact are the one being illogical.

 

[kalyan]

To your first question: Neither. Those are not mutually exclusive.

To your second question; Actually no, science has proven that energy can exist independent of each other and in fact be converted from one to the other.

You in fact are the one being illogical.

you can get energy without a source? well well..........so you think there is some energy which is not-knowledgeable/conscious and which knows where to send exactly the things you eat..........well, next time you eat your food, put some logical sense into it..

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

you can get energy without a source? well well..........so you think there is some energy which is not-knowledgeable/conscious and which knows where to send exactly the things you eat..........well, next time you eat your food, put some logical sense into it..

Incorrect, that is not what I said.

That is a straw man argument, and I suggest you rectify it.

 

[kalyan]

Incorrect, that is not what I said.

That is a straw man argument, and I suggest you rectify it.

you said energy is independent, but ok leave all this aside, do you or not agree that there is some knowledgable entity that is transforming your food intake and sending it to various parts of your body exactly where it needs to go for you to sustain life? yes/no

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

you said energy is independent, but ok leave all this aside, do you or not agree that there is some knowledgable entity that is transforming your food intake and sending it to various parts of your body exactly where it needs to go for you to sustain life? yes/no

No.

 

[kalyan]

No.

case dismissed......as I would not like to argue with someone who believes in magic

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

case dismissed......as I would not like to argue with someone who believes in magic

Incorrect, I do not believe in magic.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

case dismissed......as I would not like to argue with someone who believes in magic

What you really are saying as that if someone does not agree with you then they believe in magic.

Which is again a straw-man argument.

 

[GentleBubble]

That is not a correct comparison.

Saying that the universe tries to reach a higher purpose = Water is afraid of water so it goes into places with less water.

I would had said " Water flows(due to gravity or anything else)".....not even "Water flows by itself"...leave far deliberate personification saying "water is afraid" (water is directly personified).....but my focus was on phenomenons and its stimulus/platforms.....as I had pointed out,its our mind which automatically personifies things seeing patterns and adds a purpose to it when we are related to it....purpose or not that is one of the question itself

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I would had said " Water flows(due to gravity or anything else)".....not even "Water flows by itself"...leave far deliberate personification saying "water is afraid" (water is directly personified).....but my focus was on phenomenons and its stimulus/platforms.....as I had pointed out,its our mind which automatically personifies things seeing patterns and adds a purpose to it when we are related to it....purpose or not that is one of the question itself

Our mind often does like to personify things we do not understand.

But does that mean it is a good thing to do?