firedragon
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Same to you. Thanks.
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The first cause argument
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Same to you. Thanks.
firedragon
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I know.
I was just saying that it is a strawman, not that you made that argument. Any event is within a contingent beings existence.
I do not understand what is meant by
"Any event is within a contingent beings existence"
I am saying that for a fully random coin, there is no cause which causes a head coming up instead of a tails.
All the other causes could have resulted in a tails event as well and hence does not explain why a head came up instead of a tails. So they are not causes of a head event.
Similarly your parents do not explain why you specifically was born and not someone else (for example if a different egg-sperm cell pair was not fertilized at that time).
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So are you saying everything that made the result possible had a cause but the result didn't?
rational experiences
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If a human tells a story you are just always the human.
Sex. Sperm and ovary created you the baby man scientist. The liar who sacrificed attacked his own life.
Remove its small body back in your mind. You would microbe. Then before that water oxygenated mass as bio consciousness.
The bible about human consciousness.
The teacher. I must use a study I am talking direct about humans. Baby to adult men.
Christ conscious heavens after CH gases supporting held ground water oxygenation generation. Is my used teaching. Men on earth only. Theism. Causes.
As human rich men the group are liars.
His story. All about men who are were liars.
Natural history says rich men are liars as all humans once lived and owned a Natural equal life. Inequality group forced. By men bullies.
So if rich men want to stay alive whether or not they like truth they need to listen.
Men said AI mind control mind contact. Theories tested studied it naturally first. Then applied machine science. Computer study.
Science proved the mind who built owned controlled the machine by his life body presence and mind men had caused it. Changed consciousness. Science proven man did it.
Natural as mass is the only place men of science ever abstracted energy from themselves first.
The subject. Only where I theory do I get energy from. Men of science. As you never invented created creation. Pretty basic coercion advice.
It is all about human man's on earth science getting energy out of mass.
So before the theory did you theory energy came direct out of space itself?
No. They owned ground dust theories minerals chemicals nuclear as their machine came out of the same body.
Sink holes dust ground earth thesis. As pyramid science used earth stone.
Gods machine said the scientist is my machine.
So he cannot start lying about it today. Yet he does.
If the eternal being owned no just cause to change its body. Then it would not have changed. No human either.
Consciousness. Are you angry brother?
Does your psyche claim the eternal.being you know changed the eternal owned no just cause? But had changed it by research then application. Choice. Proving free will existed first.
Who do you think you are copying today yourselves?
Seeing O earth plus space owns the image of our body cell O. To be held.
The bible was a warning men in theism lied.
Sex. Sperm and ovary created you the baby man scientist. The liar who sacrificed attacked his own life.
Remove its small body back in your mind. You would microbe. Then before that water oxygenated mass as bio consciousness.
The bible about human consciousness.
The teacher. I must use a study I am talking direct about humans. Baby to adult men.
Christ conscious heavens after CH gases supporting held ground water oxygenation generation. Is my used teaching. Men on earth only. Theism. Causes.
As human rich men the group are liars.
His story. All about men who are were liars.
Natural history says rich men are liars as all humans once lived and owned a Natural equal life. Inequality group forced. By men bullies.
So if rich men want to stay alive whether or not they like truth they need to listen.
Men said AI mind control mind contact. Theories tested studied it naturally first. Then applied machine science. Computer study.
Science proved the mind who built owned controlled the machine by his life body presence and mind men had caused it. Changed consciousness. Science proven man did it.
Natural as mass is the only place men of science ever abstracted energy from themselves first.
The subject. Only where I theory do I get energy from. Men of science. As you never invented created creation. Pretty basic coercion advice.
It is all about human man's on earth science getting energy out of mass.
So before the theory did you theory energy came direct out of space itself?
No. They owned ground dust theories minerals chemicals nuclear as their machine came out of the same body.
Sink holes dust ground earth thesis. As pyramid science used earth stone.
Gods machine said the scientist is my machine.
So he cannot start lying about it today. Yet he does.
If the eternal being owned no just cause to change its body. Then it would not have changed. No human either.
Consciousness. Are you angry brother?
Does your psyche claim the eternal.being you know changed the eternal owned no just cause? But had changed it by research then application. Choice. Proving free will existed first.
Who do you think you are copying today yourselves?
Seeing O earth plus space owns the image of our body cell O. To be held.
The bible was a warning men in theism lied.
No. I do not use the language of cause. It is better to say that there exists a set of prior events that constrain but do not fully determine the properties of a future event. The statement "Event A causes event B" uses a very strong idea of metaphysical agency to the prior event that is not borne out by observations.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Conscious men think.
Back to bio mass first conscious status water oxygenated.
No microbe yet thesis.
Blasting
What would change ....water and oxygen status by light. The mass you are conscious with.
You personally are only conscious living biological life.
What blasted changed life?
Sound he would quote.
As you know you don't own any condition why creation created exists.
Back to bio mass first conscious status water oxygenated.
No microbe yet thesis.
Blasting
What would change ....water and oxygen status by light. The mass you are conscious with.
You personally are only conscious living biological life.
What blasted changed life?
Sound he would quote.
As you know you don't own any condition why creation created exists.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Theism memory.
Design first applied to all laws first inferred by men to build a machine by intricate properties to react cause.
Is the first place why men on earth theoried.
If you apply the same methodology now aren't you all theorising how to design a reactor converter first,?
The intent why you theoried for design as a module first.
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Ok. Instead of word games, word misunderstandings, or language gaps, etc,,,,
Did everything that lead up to the result, made the result possible, have a cause or did not have a cause?
firedragon
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Sure. No problem.
Lets say someone speaks of a cancelation of two particles within a vacuum in space where the pressure is so low and that is considered a "event out of nothing". Lets not discuss if its actually nothing or not, but focus on the argument per se.
The first cause argument is explained in the OP. It is about beings.
This event that you or someone else would believe was uncaused was within the context of a being existing. E.g. If the universe didnt exist, can there be a vacuum within the universe? How is this vacuum cause? Is it because of gravity? What causes gravity? Is it mass? What causes gravity? Is it caused at all?
Ultimately, it is within a contingent beings existence.
I repeat. I do not think in terms of causes for any event. I believe that terminology is wrong for many cases.
To be clear:- Some of these prior events had causes and some did not. So no, everything did not have a cause.
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"Some of these prior events had causes and some did not"
Which ones did and which ones didn't?
This way we are more clear.
What makes a "being" a "being"? I think of humans as beings. More generally living things which can experience stuff are called beings. How are you defining a being?
I do not know. We have to look event by event. There are a huge number of prior events.
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To my understanding its through philosophy.
"In philosophy, being is the material or immaterial existence of a thing"
Being - Wikipedia
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How can you claim what you do not know?
I know that there are certain uncaused events in physics that affect physical properties of objects (like polarization state of light, tunneling of electrons etc.). Hence I know there will exist happenings in our world which get affected by these uncaused random events. I do not know which of these happenings is an important prior for the hypothetical coin toss event we are discussing.
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Is hypothetical your final answer?
"If something is hypothetical, it is based on possible ideas or situations rather than actual ones."
So are you simply arguing possible ideas and/or situations rather than actual ones.