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The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Not me. I am a man and not a primate.

Remember the song the Monkees, you sing that to Poppa was a rolling stone.
Ah well, the blind and all that. You should study animal behaviour as well, to see the similarities that we share with other primates. But then you apparently can't imagine our precursors two or three hundred thousand years ago can you? Your loss. And we wouldn't be so different then from other primates - just a bit cleverer no doubt. And having no Bible to guide them. :D
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Ah well, the blind and all that. You should study animal behaviour as well, to see the similarities that we share with other primates. But then you apparently can't imagine our precursors two or three hundred thousand years ago can you? Your loss. And we wouldn't be so different then from other primates - just a bit cleverer no doubt. And having no Bible to guide them. :D
I saw a chimp university and they were building their next space craft to land on the moon.
Is that what you mean?
Common organs, functions and behaviors all prove an intelligent Creator, God.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
How would you like me to leave my book collection to you when I die - might help somewhat. :D
I would just throw them in the trash if they are about evolution and billions of years.

I did give away about 200 books on advanced physics, biology, chemistry, probability, statistics, and logic.
I also gave away over 200 King James Bibles.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I had mastered that several times. Even tutored some.
Teaching apparent lies as well. How did you manage that? When people say they have half a mind to do that - is that you - half of your brain accepts the scientific explanations (the tutoring side), and the other half laughing at such idiocy. I can see that happening. o_O
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
So, couldn't understand the science ones then? :D
I'm not seeing anything that would indicate a mastery of science or rational discourse for that matter.

Someone trained in science would know that proof is not a standard of science and that claims require evidence and reasoned arguments. Scientists don't just declare victory and then spend papers and presentations avoiding their burden of proof while trying to pass it on to others or insult them when those others recognize the ploy.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
I'm not seeing anything that would indicate a mastery of science or rational discourse for that matter.

Someone trained in science would know that proof is not a standard of science and that claims require evidence and reasoned arguments. Scientists don't just declare victory and then spend papers and presentations avoiding their burden of proof while trying to pass it on to others or insult them when those others recognize the ploy.
The "scientists" unfortunately are fooled.

I have already given several infallible proofs that God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago and that the Bible is the true word of God.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I'm not seeing anything that would indicate a mastery of science or rational discourse for that matter.

Someone trained in science would know that proof is not a standard of science and that claims require evidence and reasoned arguments. Scientists don't just declare victory and then spend papers and presentations avoiding their burden of proof while trying to pass it on to others or insult them when they recognize the ploy.
I can't fathom how anyone with a decent education would fall for the Bible nonsense, as to ages, other than simply playing a game or taking on a hopeless perspective for trolling purposes. o_O
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The "scientists" unfortunately are fooled.

I have already given several infallible proofs that God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago and that the Bible is the true word of God.
Really?!? You have given "infallible" proofs? Why, then, that makes you God Himself.

So I guess you'd know! :laughing:
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I can't fathom how anyone with a decent education would fall for the Bible nonsense, as to ages, other than simply playing a game or taking on a hopeless perspective for trolling purposes. o_O
The two science discoveries that correspond to the Bible's 6000 year old age of the universe, were the invention of written language and the first stable civilizations. These two pivotal changes made humans more sophisticated.

Based on this data, I would conclude the Bible is not focusing on human DNA, but on an update in the human brain's operating system, leading to will and choice apart from the DNA. Adam and Eve are not formed by natural biological means, although Adam and Eve could both reproduce biologically. This paradox can be explained by an upgrade in the brain's operating system, to usher in a new modern human mind, still with human DNA. These two inventions accelerated this change. Today, we do not have to wait for evolution and DNA to make a change. We can use consciousness to tweak the DNA directly, using our mind and tools; consciousness leading the DNA. This will and choice appears suddenly.

The lost of paradise was connected to losing natural instinct in favor of will and choice. Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain was the tiller of soil and Abel was the herder of animals. When Cain kills Abel this symbolized farming; civilization, supersedes the migratory herding; instinct, that had been in affect for 10,000's of years. It is amazing instinct could just shut off; be taken away, and a new secondary ego center of will and choice is allowed to take over. If you know how to read symbol, one can learn more about this change.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
The two science discoveries that correspond to the Bible's 6000 year old age of the universe, were the invention of written language and the first stable civilizations. These two pivotal changes made humans more sophisticated.
Coincidence? How long did we have any oral languages before any written ones?
Based on this data, I would conclude the Bible is not focusing on human DNA, but on an update in the human brain's operating system, leading to will and choice apart from the DNA. Adam and Eve are not formed by natural biological means, although Adam and Eve could both reproduce biologically. This paradox can be explained by an upgrade in the brain's operating system, to usher in a new modern human mind, still with human DNA. These two inventions accelerated this change. Today, we do not have to wait for evolution and DNA to make a change. We can use consciousness to tweak the DNA directly, using our mind and tools; consciousness leading the DNA. This will and choice appears suddenly.

The lost of paradise was connected to losing natural instinct in favor of will and choice. Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain was the tiller of soil and Abel was the herder of animals. When Cain kills Abel this symbolized farming; civilization, supersedes the migratory herding; instinct, that had been in affect for 10,000's of years. It is amazing instinct could just shut off; be taken away, and a new secondary ego center of will and choice is allowed to take over. If you know how to read symbol, one can learn more about this change.
On the other hand, these things just might be myths that the people of the time could relate to, and not intended for all time (and certainly not factual), given those around then would have no conception of what was to come in the future - just as we might not as to another few thousand years hence. Makes more sense to me than believing much literality exists in the Bible. I mean, the writers might have revealed some actual new information that couldn't have come from anywhere else other than some divine source but apparently not. Hence why we had to go through about two millennia of diseases without remedy and bad behaviour until new knowledge did actually come along - through the hard work of those who just concentrated on the issue at hand.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I can't fathom how anyone with a decent education would fall for the Bible nonsense, as to ages, other than simply playing a game or taking on a hopeless perspective for trolling purposes. o_O
I don't understand it. I don't even know why it would matter except as some ham-handed attempt to reject science that scares those that claim it.
 
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