Subduction Zone
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So now you are claiming to be an Extra Terrestrial. Are you having problems calling home?
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The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.
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SavedByTheLord
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I am a man and not an animal.
muhammad_isa
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animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.
I think, what you mean, is that you are a sophisticated, civilised animal.
In fact, animals are often "better" than us, in that they do not wilfully commit evil.
SavedByTheLord
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Well I am not an animal.animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.
I think, what you mean, is that you are a sophisticated, civilised animal.
In fact, animals are often "better" than us, in that they do not wilfully commit evil.
But people can truly do some very evil acts.
No problem. If you do not accept the word of the scientist with more than 50 years experience you could get a good education in genetics and evolution you may begin to understand the evolution of the common descent of all life on earth supported by 95%+ of ALL scientists in the fields related to evolution, and every major university in the world.What about your cousin Urch?
Surprise! Your Cousin's a Sea Urchin
They lack eyes, ears and a backbone, but sea urchins are more closely related to humans than once thought.www.livescience.com
I believe you take the position of AIG and the Discovery Institute that you accept the authority of the Bible over any possible scientific knowledge supporting evolution. Therefore, you deny all possible scientific explanations for the history of life on earth.
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SavedByTheLord
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Satan deceives the whole world especially scientist in this area of knowledge who are fooled with the no God assumption which leads to the no Satan assumption.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, if you claim to be a man you are also claiming to be an animal. What, do you think that you are a tree or a bacteria now? You are too big for one of them a probably move around far too much for the other.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, scientists do not make that assumption.
OK! Now that I got your bottom line it is understandable that you believe in the position of AIG and the Discovery Institute but in a more extreme superstitious fear position.
Based on Methodological Naturalism science is neutral to the existence of God(s) and Satan. It is simply based on objectively verifiable evidence. Science makes a 'no God' assumption.
I am having increasing difficulty taking you seriously.
It is a puzzle why you argue in terms of science when you do not accept what you call the Evil 'Satan's Science.'
Did Satan plant all the evidence around the world that supports evolution and anything that does not agree with a literal Bible?
I wondered why my edition of the Origin of the Species smokes and bleeds when I open it up.
Maybe I should contact my local exorcist. It might make a good movie complete with Green Slim. Tonight's the night.
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Ahhh! Come on. You know you cannot go out in daylight, and you do not have a shadow. Tonight's the night of the Festival of the Dead you do not need a costume to hide your horns and tail, and come out your lab full of dinosaur bones with your creepy buddies.
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wellwisher
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Biological evolution is centered on DNA and natural selection. My belief is the stories of Genesis is not talking about the physical body or changes connected to human DNA. Rather its is more about the appearance of human will and choice, which can act apart from natural human, genetic based, instincts.
Man in the image of God, was more about the point in time when the brain exceeded its genetic program, and free will appears. An analogy, would be like a computer becomes conscious, and starts to exceed its program; will and choice. Before that change, it follows the program; instinct, but after the change, things will never be the same.
Will and choice, exceeding the natural program, changes human evolution, away from natural selection, to manmade selection. This change in the brain and consciousness is what Genesis is really talking about. Both sides of the classic debate evolution and creation, are setting the wrong stage. Both are arguing, body, instead of mind. Neither can grasp that consciousness can and did exceed its DNA program, at a certain point in time, not to long ago based on the evolutionary time scale.
Adam is symbolic of this change in the human mind and consciousness, where natural selection no longer fully applies to humans. Today we can tweak the DNA directly, in the lab, allowing the mind to lead the DNA. We can even modify the DNA, not by natural selection, since lab gear is not natural, but via man made selection; corn with wings.
This premise of mind over matter is how both sides can agree. Evolution sets the early stage of evolving life, leading to humans appearing and advancing by natural selection. While Genesis are stories from a time when there was change in the human brain and mind; computer become conscious and willful. This then becomes problematic. Not everything we can choose, will end well, after human lose their natural instincts.
My theory is that written language and the formation of sustained civilization, which both occurs in the Genesis time scale; carbon dating, set the stage for the change; Adam. Civilization caused humans to live in man made environments, which broke the full connection to nature and natural selective pressures. While writing caused repression due to forcing the memory to retain and refresh information, beyond its natural brain course of forgetting and/or forward integrating.
Written law of good and evil was especially troubling to the natural mind, since once it was written; cast in stone, it was hard to move forward, due to man made selection, causing repression. Like in the Middle East, old time grudges, written on tablets, do not end. This is not how the natural human brain worked, before written language.
If you look at the details of Genesis it gives a rare look into the past, so we know where we came from; modern man.
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Sort of OK, but with qualification the Hebrews and the early Christians who compiled the NT believed in a literal Pentateuch.
Or cousin Lurch in your case - being that silly beliefs often seem to limit whatever intellectual capacity was there before.
SavedByTheLord
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The evolutionist call the sea urchin the cousin of people.Or cousin Lurch in your case - being that silly beliefs often seem to limit whatever intellectual capacity was there before.
So cousin Urch.
I guess there was Aunt Phibian too.
Perhaps you would be 'Saved' if you realised we are all part of life and hence where respect should come from such, and not treating non-humans as if we were some superior creation to rule over them. We have just evolved along a different branch - and a highly successful one in many ways even if so very destructive too.
SavedByTheLord
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What????
According to the evolutionists there is:
Cousin Urch (combo of cousin It and Lurch from the Adam's family)
Aunt Phibian
Mamma monkey
Cousin chemicals
It's called life. Get used to it - rather than living some creation in your mind and coming from a bad decision to accept rubbish as true evidence.
SavedByTheLord
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And where are all the intermediary species between all these.It's called life. Get used to it - rather than living some creation in your mind and coming from a bad decision to accept rubbish as true evidence.
All supposed similarity is not evidence for evolution at all. But the inexplicable differences and inexplicable similarities disprove evolution.
Chromosome count
Mankind 46
Chimps 48
Chromosome counts for various fox species.
Red fox 34
Tibetan sand fox 36
Kit fox 50
Bengal fox 60
Fennec fox 64
Amoeba dubia 670 billion base pairs
How did that happen?
The odds against the amoebas code by random chance is 39^640 billon to 1 or 10^trillion to 1.
That is 1 followed by 1 trillion zeros.
It would take at least 1 million books to write that number out,
No doubt they will be found if any traces of them remain, given that we haven't been looking seriously for that long, and given that the theory as to such is less than two centuries old. Why are you so impatient to have certainty - especially when your beliefs go against so much of science? It's rather laughable in my view - certainty over the Bible but not over the human ability to actually form theories, obtain evidence, and come to conclusions. But then no doubt you do believe God created us as being so dumb and imperfect. That mirror talking again is it?
SavedByTheLord
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No answer at all then.No doubt they will be found if any traces of them remain, given that we haven't been looking seriously for that long, and given that the theory as to such is less than two centuries old. Why are you so impatient to have certainty - especially when your beliefs go against so much of science? It's rather laughable in my view - certainty over the Bible but not over the human ability to actually form theories, obtain evidence, and come to conclusions. But then no doubt you do believe God created us as being so dumb and imperfect. That mirror talking again is it?