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Carico

Active Member
Sorry, I don't have the patience of a saint. Dealing with your idiocy in the homosexuality threads is my limit.

Another evasion. But that's what evolutionists always do because their beliefs are based on a lack of evidence and knowledge. :D So evolution can't be verified historically any more than it can be verified biologically since animals don't breed human descendants in reality either. So evolution is a fairy tale and a ridiculous one at that. :biglaugh:
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
No, not an evasion. I simply refuse to discuss evolution with Creationists. I don't like playing chess with pigeons. Cope.
 

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
Another evasion. But that's what evolutionists always do because their beliefs are based on a lack of evidence and knowledge. :D So evolution can't be verified historically any more than it can be verified biologically since animals don't breed human descendants in reality either. So evolution is a fairy tale and a ridiculous one at that. :biglaugh:

well if we're not going to debate evolution properly, let's debate creation properly, what is your evidence for the bible's version of creation?
 

Carico

Active Member
No, not an evasion. I simply refuse to discuss evolution with Creationists. I don't like playing chess with pigeons. Cope.

I can see why. One has to indulge in fantasy to discuss evolution since it can't be verified in history or in the real world. ;) But we creationists love to talk about creation because reality confirms the biblical account of creation. So we have nothing to hide and can document our claims. It's atheists who try to keep us from talking about it because it proves them wrong.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
*sighs* And the pigeon claims victory anyway. I really should have seen that coming.
 

Carico

Active Member
i've always found triple-dekker devils food decadent cake delicious... ahh alliteration and assonance.

Sorry but this thread isn't about cake. ;) So, do you have any facts to present about the OP? If not, then your part in this discussion is over in this thread. :)
 
Again, I'd like to know where the accounts of the forerunners of man are. One would think that the first speaking tribes would have had fascinating stories about their parents, grandparents and ancestors who couldn't speak because they didn't yet have vocal chords. :D Those creatures are supposed to have lived for billions of years on this earth. So why aren't there any accounts of them from their descendants? :confused:

What creatures lived for billions of years???

Have you got any real sense of time?

Do you even understand your own words?

Have you even a clue to what you are saying at all or do you just like to see your words on the screen in front of you?

Have you any honest, logical idea at all?

Where the heck were you educated or brain washed or whatever happened to you to make you think like you do?
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
Again, I'd like to know where the accounts of the forerunners of man are. One would think that the first speaking tribes would have had fascinating stories about their parents, grandparents and ancestors who couldn't speak because they didn't yet have vocal chords. :D Those creatures are supposed to have lived for billions of years on this earth. So why aren't there any accounts of them from their descendants? :confused:

Can we keep her?

Pulleeeezee!!???

:angel2:
 

Carico

Active Member
Who posts is not your decision.

Getting off-topic deceives people into believing that a thread is not about the OP. Only people who can't defend their own position or refute posts with which they don't agree get off-topic. ;)
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
You'll have more luck debating cake recipes in this thread.

Sign me up for a German chocolate. Maybe if we discuss cake recipes, we can dumb the conversation down far enough that even a creationist can constructively participate.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
Sign me up for a German chocolate. Maybe if we discuss cake recipes, we can dumb the conversation down far enough that even a creationist can constructively participate.

Hey now!

I know microbiologists who can`t pull off a simple Genoise`.

Baking is a science.

Ya needs to know maths n`stuff.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Again, I'd like to know where the accounts of the forerunners of man are. One would think that the first speaking tribes would have had fascinating stories about their parents, grandparents and ancestors who couldn't speak because they didn't yet have vocal chords. :D Those creatures are supposed to have lived for billions of years on this earth. So why aren't there any accounts of them from their descendants? :confused:

Did you hear something? Nah, me neither.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Why yes, I can agree with the ruler analogy, but it seems that the scientific ruler or measuring tool has a set way of measuring. It's ruler seems to use consecutive numbers and equal spaces between the number. It measures along the lines of one inch, two inches three inches, four inches, five inches, etc...

But the religious ruler seems to have a hodge podge of different symbols, not in any particular order or pattern, with different spaces between the symbols. They seem to measure more along the lines of duck, coffee, bookcase, pinata, duck-teen, etc... Not only that but there are multiple rulers with religion, and the results garnered from religion doesn't seem to match up with the results of another and themselves.

The reason people who use investigation and observation to understand the world is because, for the most part, it works every single time! And if not, they have to change their investigations and experimentations to account for the new observation. If the moon suddenly reversed direction, scientists wouldn't declare "Oh, we don't understand why this happened, so it must be be god!" no, they investigate it and observe and compile what they thought knew before to see why it fails now. They essentially have to discredit themselves in order to progress on to the truth.

Religion seems to work by completely ignoring new observation that goes against their belief, and by compiling things from their imagination (which count as theory) and not investigating, researching, or experimenting to discover why they believe so (which offer no evidence).

The reason scientists depend on the scientific method (for a quick overview The Scientific Method | Introduction) because it works. But religion stops halfway through the process and doesn't continue on. They observe, they hypothesize, but they don't investigate, and they can't recreate or demonstrate or their results. With science they can predict results with almost complete accuracy almost everytime. You can't with religion, there is not consistency one can depend on.

Just because you don't understand a different ruler, does not make it less valid.
Of course there is a difference between the esoteric and exoteric. The esoteric does everythign you say, observe, recreate, demonstrate, predict..... but I understand that is beyond your scope of understanding

But I offer the following, even though I know it is probably like trying to teach a mouse how to split an atom.

For example a certain well known modern alchemist recently stated:

There is a prevailing notion, that an identity exists between what
are called Initiatory states, and the mystical states.
These “mystical” states, incorrectly identified with the Grades of
Initiation, include such things as “ecstasy”-and the proponents of these
theories thereafter insist that these things are all availble to
visualizations, such as PET and MRI. Moreover, they argue that the
Initiatory Grades, being in their minds, equivalent to the states of
mysticism, can never be truly occupied permanemtly by the being, but
are merely fleeting “experiences”.
While we would agree that the states encountered by “mysticism” are
fleeting, and even that since they are psychic experineces, that they
can be observed via imagery techniques, we can not see how they are to be
identified with the Initiatory Grades, which speak of diverse other things.
Moreover, every traditional Initiatory doctrine notes not only an
ascent(”Realization”, and “Escape from the cosmos”), but a redescent, in which,
although the original individual being is
changed, nothing is lost of the Gnosis in the redescent (unlike
mysticism, where the experineces are but “memories”).
Doctrinaly, these differences are noted in many ways, but one way
of explaining it is in the Sufistic distinction bewteen “Hal”, and
“Maqqam”. Ibn Arabi, for example, goes to great lengths to explain the
distinction between temporary “states” (Hal), and totally aquired “Stations”
(Maqqam)–which are the objectives of the
Initiatory path.
Another illustration, is derived from geometry.
All of the states of being can be envisioned as points along some
indefinite verticle axis, which have, independently, their own
circumference (conceived of in the horizontal plane, or
intersecting the vertical plane, at specific given points).
Initiation involves something of a reversal…as opposed to
seeing independent concentric circles staked on one another,
along a verticle axis, the “circumference” (of what is really
sphereical), presents itself as a circle in the horizontal
plane, uniting all states in simultaniety and succesion.
There is thus an ascending path (the lowest point to the highest
point), and and a descending path (the highest point returning to the
lowest point)…occuring without interuption and continuity.
This is a partial explanation of the Cross, that forms the
emblem of “Rosicrucianism”.
In the Hermetic (Alchemical) symbolism, that Rosicrucianism
originated from, there are many similar examples of this
“return to earth”, invloving things such as birds having their
wings removed, among other symbols.
 
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