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The Flavors of Christianity (Christian input please)

I class myself as a bible believing Christian, i don't do denominations, I attend various churches depending on where I am, the problem I see with denominations are the extra troubles and beliefs they bring along, I attended a pentecostal church and if you didn't speak in tongues you weren't saved, I went to a baptist church and the gifts of the Holy spirit were totally ignored.I believe the bible to be the last word to measure anything preached against and to not be drawn in by personalties, especially american preachers.
 
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mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
Truly well meaning, and remember at that time the Church was corrupt.

I do agree that the Church was corrupt, but were the indulgency sales wrong even if they were supported by the Pope? (I don't know if they were as I haven't read Catholic history)
Do you support full papal infallibility, limited papal infallibility or no papal infallibility?
 
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ForeverFaithful

Son Worshiper
Church of England (Or more specifically Anglican Church of Canada , only difference is Geography)

I do not support the liberalism of our bishops however, I believe in the Via Media of Rational Thought, Scripture and Traditions
 

SaintAugustine

At the Monastery
I do agree that the Church was corrupt, but were the indulgency sales wrong even if they were supported by the Pope? (I don't know if they were as I haven't read Catholic history)
Do you support full papal infallibility, limited papal infallibility or no papal infallibility?

I support papal infallibilty..but only on matters ex cathedra and those conditions are strictly defined. A personal opinion by Pope can be rejected and has. Pope Benedict VXI has said..."Popes are not oracles." In fact the Pope cannot add anything to the Magestrium of the Church. What he can do is underline and extend it to its logical conclusion.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
My question for those who identify as Christian is, which of these, or any, denominations or Christian philosophies do you belong to, or identify with, and why?

and what about your denomination attracts you to it.

Jehovahs witness.

I was impressed with the fact that they used the bible and could answer any question i had using the bible...i felt that the answers i was getting was coming straight from God. And learning that God had a personal name, which is never mentioned by other religions, made me curious as to why the JW's were different in that regard.
 

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
I support papal infallibilty..but only on matters ex cathedra and those conditions are strictly defined. A personal opinion by Pope can be rejected and has. Pope Benedict VXI has said..."Popes are not oracles." In fact the Pope cannot add anything to the Magestrium of the Church. What he can do is underline and extend it to its logical conclusion.

Thanks!
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Another opinion:
I don't believe in Papal infallibility OR supremacy.... my Church is in Communion with Rome, but I believe it is as close to historical "first among equals" as we are going to get.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Thanks for all the input!

One more question. (Again, not up for debate, and please do not single out a particular denomination)

In your beliefs, how far away from your own denomination does a belief have to be for you to consider it outside the realm of Christianity?
 

bribrius

Member
Jehovahs witness.

I was impressed with the fact that they used the bible and could answer any question i had using the bible...i felt that the answers i was getting was coming straight from God. And learning that God had a personal name, which is never mentioned by other religions, made me curious as to why the JW's were different in that regard.
i am not a jw pegg, but i can say i try to be nice to them when they come to my house with their pamphlets. Between me and our German shepherd we aren't exactly friendly looking people.:D Im also not exactly in a city area so they are hiking. But they keep coming once every couple years anyway. I give you all credit for determination. No one else ever shows up on my door step uninvited and despite the bad rep the jw's get. I dont see anyone else going door to door. So i have to respect them for having some strong beliefs if nothing else. Is there a reason jw's are more ambitious in this?
 

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
Thanks for all the input!

One more question. (Again, not up for debate, and please do not single out a particular denomination)

In your beliefs, how far away from your own denomination does a belief have to be for you to consider it outside the realm of Christianity?

I'm not a Christian anymore, but I'd say that as long as you accept the words of Jesus and believe in God, you're a Christian. It doesn't matter if you believe in the Biblical God or the gnostic God. You don't need to believe in the Bible, because it isn't the only source of Jesus's words. Then you can believe whatever you want about the trinity or the divinity of Jesus and such.

I know that many other Christians feel that you must accept Jesus as divine and the trinity as real to be a Christian, so I've heard many people claim that JWs and Mormons aren't Christians. I believe that they are, though.
 
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Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
i am not a jw pegg, but i can say i try to be nice to them when they come to my house with their pamphlets. Between me and our German shepherd we aren't exactly friendly looking people.:D Im also not exactly in a city area so they are hiking. But they keep coming once every couple years anyway. I give you all credit for determination. No one else ever shows up on my door step uninvited and despite the bad rep the jw's get. I dont see anyone else going door to door. So i have to respect them for having some strong beliefs if nothing else. Is there a reason jw's are more ambitious in this?

Hi, the reason we do the door to door work is because it is Gods will that the work be done and is what Jesus instructed his followers to do. The watchtower has made the preaching work a focus of our christian activity and i would say this is why we are so active in this regard. We take Jesus words very seriously and believe that being his follower means we should imitate his example...he was a preacher, so we follow.
Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come...8 ... 'and go on telling them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to YOU.’

Our message is that Gods Kingdom will soon rule the earth and the bible sets forth the constitution of that kingdom....to become a subject of the kingdom we must know the constitution first. So we go out to all nations to teach them what the bible says about the constitution of the kingdom of God and how they can become subjects of that kingdom. What they do with that knowledge is up to them, but if they act on the knowledge, God will offer them salvation and that is the goal of our preaching work....we preach to all sorts because this is Gods work, not ours ;)
1Timothy 2:3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth

We believe it is the holy spirit which enables us to carry out this work.
Acts 1:8 but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

and we will continue to do this work until the end of this system:
Matthew 24:14 “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”
 
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arcanum

Active Member
I was raised more or less evangelical but I don't even know if I consider myself christian anymore after really exploring christian origins. In reference to the op's post with all the christian denominations, that raises a problem for me and the reason is this: If god really revealed himself through Jesus why is there so much division and confusion over what it is to be a christian? Why does everyone believe something different? This isn't a recent phenomenon, this confusion goes all the way back to the early christian period where right after the death of jesus there was immediate fragmentation with many different movements and interpretations springing up. So instead of bringing man to the truth nothing short of confusion has developed in his wake. So if it really came from god then the message should be clear, unfortunately it's anything but....so why is that?
 

bribrius

Member
I was raised more or less evangelical but I don't even know if I consider myself christian anymore after really exploring christian origins. In reference to the op's post with all the christian denominations, that raises a problem for me and the reason is this: If god really revealed himself through Jesus why is there so much division and confusion over what it is to be a christian? Why does everyone believe something different? This isn't a recent phenomenon, this confusion goes all the way back to the early christian period where right after the death of jesus there was immediate fragmentation with many different movements and interpretations springing up. So instead of bringing man to the truth nothing short of confusion has developed in his wake. So if it really came from god then the message should be clear, unfortunately it's anything but....so why is that?
you my friend are in a similiar boat than i .

Partly why i prefer the old testament. Also why im not sure what i believe about everyhing say..from 200 b.c on.

the idea of "dont put other god before me, be aware of false doctrines, and not to worship idols " only increases the stress of trying to figure out the truth. As you are doublly cautious and question everything.

i think now i am at the point i dont even know if i believe in the jew God. I believe in God, no doubt, true believer. But israeli God, for some supposed chosen people, or form the shasu tribe, war god????? Not so sure on that one. Seems very region specific. i tend to see God as a creator God, not a region specific, people specific God that later everyone decided to change there mind and make him everyones God.
It is something to think about, no doubt. And it is so confusing and full of potential corruption and variances one must wonder why the real God would give birth to such a senseless, rediculous line of theology and put it in the hands of some backwards tribe and pass it through multi god worshiping heathens to become some "chosen" peoples slave God from what orginally was some kind of war God.
And then to the gentiles...

Gee, thanks. What a gift. Its a mess. But im a true believer, i look at the stars, the soil, i feel God. I sense God within me. Looking through the mess of theology i see confusing, and confused peoples. Worse yet, these are the peoples example we are supposed to be following . Look within me i am more at peace. I at least feel a little better in the old testament. I read the new testament certain parts ring true. Others i just envision this is some peoples invented God of the slaves. Kind of like most of the bible is about the hebrews, the storys of the hebrews. Well, i ain't hebrew. The God of the bible is very region, people specific.
Not going to say i dont believe in God, earnestly do. closer to judaism in any sense of following probably. But not a fan in the sense of the chosen people and the God primarily depicted in parts of the bible. And david did this, these people were invaded, paul jumped on a boat. Entertaining, maybe a little interesting, but none of that speaks out to me as if it is meant for me. In fact most of the new testament and even some of the old i dont feel is meant for me. Suddenly everyone worships this God of the jews or of that region.
Well, maybe i have the same God, but i cant say he would give me that kind of thing to deal with and it sure wasn't written for anyone outside of that region. Kind of like you always hear about jerusalem but it is only a mile wide. Well, i think i prefer new york city. Always hear about the journey of christ, well get in your car and drive the same distance. Or even walk it. It aint that far. The bible seems so much BIGGER because it was written from a select group, about the people, in a certain region. Fantastic book though. I love the bible. Just not so sure on what exactly applies to me, and what exactly to believe . I do believe in MY GOD though. If that is the same God as the hebrews im thinking of reversing this whole thing and letting them figure that out for a change instead of me doing all the guessin and reading.:D
 
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