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The flood of Noah's

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's because you have 4 gospel writer's giving their version of the tomb of Jesus.

This is like at an accident the police goes around asking what people had seen, and each one of them gives their version on what they saw, but each one of them gave a different version on what they saw.

The same with each gospel writer gave their version of the tomb of Jesus. So each one gave a different version.

The same, if you and me, gave our version on something, I bet your version and my version would be different.

So what's the big deal.

But then those are by definitions contradictions. Also none of the gospel writers were eyewitnesses. Odds are that they did not even speak with any eye witnesses since the gospels were written quite a while after the event. Now you may be able to give a somewhat rational excuse for the contradictions but that does not make the contradictions go away.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You have to be kidding me. Here we are discussing one and yet you pretend that they do not exist. In fact the countless self contradictions in the Bible can be quite humorous at times:



That's Right contradiction do not exist, it's all because people have no understanding or knowledge of what is and what is not.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
But then those are by definitions contradictions. Also none of the gospel writers were eyewitnesses. Odds are that they did not even speak with any eye witnesses since the gospels were written quite a while after the event. Now you may be able to give a somewhat rational excuse for the contradictions but that does not make the contradictions go away.


That's where your wrong at. There were many witnesses ?
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
By my Companion Bible and the Strong's Concordance and my KJV 1611 that's all I need to get to the root of things.

You and or your sources seem to misread the verb tense. The coastland peoples don't refer to a people who HAD survived the Flood, the isles of the gentiles don't refer to islands at the time of the flood (for as the story goes there were no islands at all) but refer to people who the author and the audience know CURRENTLY EXIST on islands that CURRENT EXIST at the time of the author and his audience.

This is a basic confusion of time reference and you are creating a mystery where the author of the text never meant to create one.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Thanks for verifying and agreeing to my point, because all four cannot be right. Trouble is there's no way to determine which, if any of these accounts, is correct whereas the others must be contradictions.


The problem your having, is that you can't accept what the Subject is about.

The subject is not about, whether there were one angel or two or three angels.

The subject is about Christ Jesus had risen out of the sepulchre. That's the subject you should be Focus on and not the angels.

In your case, let's say, in the news this reporter driving, saw a park car and then a mile down the road, he reported that a flash flood had wash out the bridge.

The subject is about the flash flood that wash out a bridge.not about a park car.

But in your case your subject would be more about a park a car, than the flash flood that wash out a bridge.

Therefore the angels are not the subject, but the subject about Christ Jesus risen out of the sepulchre.

The angels are only there to give account that Christ Jesus had risen.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The problem your having, is that you can't accept what the Subject is about.
No, the problem is that you moved the goalposts, because here's what you wrote that I had responded to: "I've been studying the Bible for some time, and have not found any contradictions."

I said nothing at all about the issue as to whether Jesus resurrected or not. Therefore, based on that and also your disingenuous slam on me, I have to conclude that you're simply slipped into intellectual dishonesty to try and c.y.a. "Pride" is quite a bugger, ain't it.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
No, the problem is that you moved the goalposts, because here's what you wrote that I had responded to: "I've been studying the Bible for some time, and have not found any contradictions."

I said nothing at all about the issue as to whether Jesus resurrected or not. Therefore, based on that and also your disingenuous slam on me, I have to conclude that you're simply slipped into intellectual dishonesty to try and c.y.a. "Pride" is quite a bugger, ain't it.


That's right there is no contradictions.
 

EarthWalker45

New Member
We are told by man's teachings and many Christians saying, that no one survived the flood of Noah's and that the flood of Noah's covered the whole earth.

If this is true, Why is it written in the book of Genesis saying otherwise ?

Let's go to the book of Genesis Chapter 10 and discover what really happened ?

Starting with Verse 1--> We find here that Noah had 3 sons, Shem, Ham, Japheth and unto them were born sons after the flood.

Verse 2--> Japheth had 7 sons, Gomer, Magog, ,Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, Tiras.

Verse 3--> And Gomer had 3 sons, Ashkenaz, Riphath, Togarmah.

Verse 4--> Javan had 4 sons, Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, Dodanim.

Verse 5--> now by the sons of Javan, Gomer, and Japheth, were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Now as man's teachings and many Christians have it that the flood of Noah's covered the whole earth, that no one survived the flood of Noah's.

Now If the flood of Noah's was supposedly to haved covered the whole earth and nothing survived the flood of Noah's ?

The Question is, Where did the isles of the Gentiles come from ?

Therefore, the flood of Noah's, only covered to where Noah and his wife and 3 sons and their wives, were at, Where the wickedness of mankind was Great in the Earth ?


I have the same exact question. It seems as though the text is indicating that the offspring of Noah were Gentiles and that they grouped together in different regions (isles) speaking in their own distinct languages. That is pretty astounding considering it was only a few generations down from Noah's offspring. How did those languages form so quickly. Unless they were multilingual. Isles means coastlands in Hebrew.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Ancient flood and ark myths common
Rather than being a historical figure who was the progenitor of three races, Noah is a fictitious character found in the mythologies of a number of different cultures globally, as opposed to being limited to one area and its specific peoples. The Bible story represents a rehash of other myths, changed to revolve around these particular peoples.

Like other biblical tales, the myth of Noah is found in India, Egypt, Babylon, Sumer and other places. The fact is that there have been floods and deluge stories in many different parts of the world, including but not limited to the Middle East. In the Sumerian tale, which predated the biblical by thousands of years, the ark was built by Ziusudra; in Akkad, he was Atrakhasis, and in Babylon, Uta-Napisthim. The Greek Noah was called Deucalion, "who repopulated the earth after the waters subsided" and after the ark landed on Mt. Parnassos. The Armenian flood hero was called Xisuthros, "whose ark landed on Mt. Ararat." Noah's "history" can likewise be found in India, where there is a "tomb of Nuh" near the river Gagra in the district of Oude or Oudh, which may be related to Judea and Judah. The "ark-preserved" Indian Noah was also called "Menu."

Like Noah, the Sumero-Armenian Ziusudra/Xisuthros had three sons, including one named "Japetosthes," essentially the same as Noah's son Japheth, also related to Pra-japati or Jvapeti, son of the Indian Menu, whose other sons possessed virtually the same names as those of Noah, i.e., Shem and Ham. As Oxford University Hebrew professor George Henry Bateson Wright says in Was Israel ever in Egypt? (51):

JAPHETH - Ewald...shows, with great probability, that this was a god of the north, as Ham was of the south, once again in imitation of Hindu mythology. Moreover, the fact, that in the Armenian legend, derived from "Assyrian or Babylonian documents," the three sons of Xisuthros, who corresponds to Noah, are Zervin, Titan, and Japetosthe, is very instructive, suggesting that the unknown foreign word was retained in its original form...

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"Coincidentally," it was said that the Egyptian god Osiris was shut up in his ark on the very same day that Noah was likewise so disposed, as I relate in Suns of God (90):

When Osiris's enemies pursue him, he enters into his "boat" on precisely the same date recorded of "Noah's" entrance into his ark, Athyr 17th...long before the biblical tale was invented. Noah is not a Jewish "patriarch" but a sun god, and the tale of entering and exiting the Ark signifies the sun's death and resurrection. The story of the eight passengers in a boat is an astral myth, reflecting the solar system. These eight are equivalent to the Egyptian octet of gods, who sail the ocean in a ship.

Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Rather than having happened on Earth - a cataclysmic event for which there is no solid, scientific evidence - the story of Noah's Ark actually takes place in the heavens, as Noah and his crew of seven represent the sun, moon, earth and five inner planets. Obviously, Noah's famous "ark," which misguided souls have sought upon the earth, is a motif found in other myths, representing the arc-shaped lower quarter of the moon.



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