The Flood & Worldwide Festivals of the Dead — the connection.

[Hockeycowboy]

You think I'm your enemy? Yikes.

It's unfortunate that your religion has taught you that anyone who dares challenge your religious ideas is an "enemy." I'm sorry you've internalized that idea.

I'm not your enemy, needless to say. Just another person doing their best in this life.

I didn’t mention my “religion” did I ? I said the Bible, and those who support it.
I was referring to Dr. Haliburton, it seems after his death, his reputation suffered from bias regarding his conclusions. His work of “New Materials...” is a little disorganized, but I don’t think it deserved the bashing it got.

History has shown that the Bible has endured attack after attack — even at times from its supposed backers — but it’s historical and geographical accuracy, and it’s wisdom, prevails again and again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn’t mention my “religion” did I ? I said the Bible, and those who support it.
I was referring to Dr. Haliburton, it seems after his death, his reputation suffered from bias regarding his conclusions. His work of “New Materials...” is a little disorganized, but I don’t think it deserved the bashing it got.

History has shown that the Bible has endured attack after attack — even at times from its supposed backers — but it’s historical and geographical accuracy, and it’s wisdom, prevails again and again.

There was no need to mention one's religion since the belief in the Noah's Ark myth is only a religious one.

And no, you only believe that the Bible has survived "attacks". It has actually failed quite badly in many areas. Scientific ones being only one of them.

 

[YoursTrue]

I didn’t mention my “religion” did I ? I said the Bible, and those who support it.
I was referring to Dr. Haliburton, it seems after his death, his reputation suffered from bias regarding his conclusions. His work of “New Materials...” is a little disorganized, but I don’t think it deserved the bashing it got.

History has shown that the Bible has endured attack after attack — even at times from its supposed backers — but it’s historical and geographical accuracy, and it’s wisdom, prevails again and again.

Yup. Just reading about the persecution of John Wycliffe by, um, those who claimed to be Christian.

 

[YoursTrue]

There are actually many writings, however. Just not a scripture in the Abrahamic sense.

I am a Kemetic, so... I am looking up all this stuff.

Oops, never heard of the Kemetics, I will look into it. But I wonder just how many histories did they write of themselves?

 

[Rival]

Oops, never heard of the Kemetics, I will look into it. But I wonder just how many histories did they write of themselves?

Kemetic is just the term for Ancient Egyptian religion/religious practices. There are lots of writings left covering many genres.

 

[Left Coast]

I didn’t mention my “religion” did I ? I said the Bible, and those who support it.

LOL you didn't have to mention it, I already knew you were a Witness. This isn't exactly my first rodeo.

History has shown that the Bible has endured attack after attack — even at times from its supposed backers — but it’s historical and geographical accuracy, and it’s wisdom, prevails again and again.

That's a very cute rewriting of history. The Bible has "prevailed" because of theocracy. If you don't know that...I'm not sure what else to tell you.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Despite there being no physical evidence for a global flood.

And the reason for us to occasionally find well-preserved parts of, & complete, megafauna within the fresh-water Permafrost — not on the surface, but in it — all across the Northern hemisphere is....?

No slow moving ice age or slow melting could have been the cause.

Many assume the Flood is allegorical, it simply teaches a ‘lesson’.

Just what lesson is it supposed to teach?

From a cursory reading, the only lesson I can can glean, is that God does not put up with violent people.

What’s God gonna do, then?

Apparently nothing, because the story didn’t really happen....so God won’t do anything, again.

Matthew 24:37-39 really has no meaning....it’s empty.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And the reason for us to occasionally find well-preserved parts of, & complete, megafauna within the fresh-water Permafrost — not on the surface, but in it — all across the Northern hemisphere is....?

No slow moving ice age or slow melting could have been the cause.

Many assume the Flood is allegorical, it simply teaches a ‘lesson’.

Just what lesson is it supposed to teach?

From a cursory reading, the only lesson I can can glean, is that God does not put up with violent people.

What’s God gonna do, then?

Apparently nothing, because the story didn’t really happen....so God won’t do anything, again.

Matthew 24:37-39 really has no meaning....it’s empty.

You do not appear to understand what permafrost is. It is not water. It is soil and water. If an animal died close to an advancing glacier in a valley or other low spot it could easily have been buried. Creationists have no explanation for permafrost that has not been refuted.

 

[Rival]

From a cursory reading, the only lesson I can can glean, is that God does not put up with violent people.

Just as an aside, a notable Jewish explanation for the flood is for sexual sins.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

One has to have the same beliefs as Jews, and Jewish belief about the Flood is as diverse as any set.

Interesting, that the ancient Israelites had no “festival of the dead.”
They understood the truth behind death...the condition of the dead.

 

[Rival]

Interesting, that the ancient Israelites had no “festival of the dead.”
They understood the truth behind death...the condition of the dead.

There are Jewish prayers for the souls of the dead, tho.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You do not appear to understand what permafrost is. It is not water. It is soil and water. If an animal died close to an advancing glacier in a valley or other low spot it could easily have been buried. Creationists have no explanation for permafrost that has not been refuted.

Uh, yes the Flood gives us an accurate explanation, accounting for the existence of such permafrost.

Just because you can’t see it...well only you can change that.

Despite the physical impossibility of anything surviving the flood due to the tremendous heat and pressure such an event would unleash

But then, you state:

Despite the Bible saying that all life outside the ark died

You are right, no land life survived. You brought up a counter argument, then proceeded to answer it.

Are you presenting an “argument from incredulity”? I am usually accused of that, in evolution debates. Now, you’re using it!

Is Jehovah God’s hand too slack or weak? He couldn’t protect those in the Ark?
The account reveals a lot of what Jehovah did...He gave Noah the instructions on building that *ideal* (30:5:3) Ark. He brought the animals to Noah. He closed the Ark’s door. And afterwards, He opened it.

Do you think He wouldn’t or couldn’t do anything else?
This Earth is our home He made for us.. Of course he’d protect it.

Understanding why the Flood was global, and having a grasp of the issue of Sovereignty raised in Genesis 3, is imperative to understanding the Flood’s scope and it’s environmental impact.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

There are Jewish prayers for the souls of the dead, tho.

Now, but not in ancient times.

Even way back before Jesus, there were sects of the Jews — Saducees — who denied the Scriptural hope of the Resurrection.

 

[Rival]

Now, but not in ancient times.

Even way back before Jesus, there were sects of the Jews — Saducees — who denied the Scriptural hope of the Resurrection.

They did but they died out fairly quickly after the Second Temple was destroyed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Uh, yes the Flood gives us an accurate explanation, accounting for the existence of such permafrost.

Just because you can’t see it...well only you can change that.

Let's ease up on the false claims. If you have a proper explanation please give one. Be specific. If it fails I will tell you why and how it fails. You have only been refuted when you tried in the past. Who knows, by some miracle you might have a proper model.

But before you even begin, you need to ask yourself this question and find an answer to it:

What reasonable test based upon your model's merits could possibly refute it?


If you cannot answer that question then it is all but certain that you only have an ad hoc explanation. Those are rather worthless to say the least.

 

[danieldemol]

Is Jehovah God’s hand too slack or weak? He couldn’t protect those in the Ark?
The account reveals a lot of what Jehovah did...He gave Noah the instructions on building that *ideal* (30:5:3) Ark. He brought the animals to Noah. He closed the Ark’s door. And afterwards, He opened it.

Do you think He wouldn’t or couldn’t do anything else?

Aha, so God magic took care of it. The ultimate answer to all objections

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Aha, so God magic took care of it. The ultimate answer to all objections

No, God’s *power*.

You don’t think He has any?

 

[danieldemol]

No, God’s *power*.

You don’t think He has any?

Sure, I think God has the power to make a bird with wings of solid gold and a body of lead to fly, but I have never seen a bird with wings of solid gold and a body of lead flying, so perhaps God prefers a logically ordered universe that operates according to sound rules to inconsistent magical nonsense.

In my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

Oh, the mighty Subduction Zone!

Lol.

Your arrogance amazes me.

So your answer to his question is an ad-hominem?

In my opinion

 

[YoursTrue]

Kemetic is just the term for Ancient Egyptian religion/religious practices. There are lots of writings left covering many genres.

Ok, so is there a compilation of writings giving history of that people and their relationship with whatever god(s) they worshiped? I mean, surely you would or should know that I would think. Since this did enter the picture in relation to the initial question, didn't it, i should probably have said which you worship too now? I can imagine you were on quite a journey...