The flood

[Dan4reason]

This thread is about whether there is evidence for the biblical flood and also whether the evidence points to evolution instead. Another question is whether the flood is feasable. My first thought is that it seems impossible to load up every kind on earth onto one boat, and care for them with only eight people.

When we look at tree rings and ice cores we see no evidence of the flood. When we look at the fossil record we see the animals in the strata neatly organized in a fassion that you would expect if evolution were true. Since the first life lived in the sea, the fossils in the lower strata are sea animals. We later on see land animals along with sea animals and at the very top we see primates, humans, homo erectus, and others along with their tools.

We do not see animals out of place. There are no tyrannosaurus with humans, no rabbits in the precambrian. If there was a flood you would expect to see a bit of everything everywhere but that is far from the truth. Why is it that we see no humans and their tools lower down if there was a flood? In my view the strata clearly point to evolution rather than a flood.

What do you think? Am I wrong about anything? Did I miss anything?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

opcorn:

 

[dallas1125]

I saw a link about this, Ill dig it up.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Yes it's impossible and ludicrious to say all the world's animals, 7 pairs of clean, and a pair of unclean, could fit on a 3 story ark. Furthermore, there is no explination for how the animals all got to the Middle East from say Australia. If they claimed a local flood it'd be more believable, but not global.

 

[outhouse]

its fiction, do you really need to debate fiction ???

theres no evidence at all for a world wide flood, there never will be it is in fact impossible.

There is however a mountain of evidence it never happened nor could it have.

I will not dig evidence up for imagination, you can go find it yourself i donthave time for games related to fiction.

 

[dallas1125]

Heres a chart real fast, still cant find that link.

 

[dallas1125]

Lost Civilization May Have Existed Beneath the Persian Gulf - Yahoo! News
Did flood myths arise from the possible flooding of the Persian Gulf region?

 

[dallas1125]

Another interesting article: The Global Flood as You've Never Seen It - Health & Science

Personally, I dont buy much of this article though.

P.S. I could not find the link I was looking for. Sorry...

 

[meogi]

Did flood myths arise from the possible flooding of the Persian Gulf region?

More importantly: Did all flood myths arise from the same flood?

 

[outhouse]

More importantly: Did all flood myths arise from the same flood?

we know the earth floodsevery year in ever part of the world.

the biblical version STATES quite clearly that the great flood covered the highest mountains by over 20' feet.

If that was the case they would all freeze and die from no oxygen


it never happened its a lie

its proof the bible is not the word of god, just that of ancient man who didnt know anything

 

[Dan4reason]

its fiction, do you really need to debate fiction ???

theres no evidence at all for a world wide flood, there never will be it is in fact impossible.

There is however a mountain of evidence it never happened nor could it have.

I will not dig evidence up for imagination, you can go find it yourself i donthave time for games related to fiction.

I actually love debating against fiction. I hardly ever lose.

 

[outhouse]

I actually love debating against fiction. I hardly ever lose.

its good you posted this because theres more closet YEC then you would think.

this is the dividing line to being able to possibly save them down the road.

if they accept the flood and YEC theres usually not much that can be done to help and bring them back to reality.

 

[Dan4reason]

its good you posted this because theres more closet YEC then you would think.

this is the dividing line to being able to possibly save them down the road.

if they accept the flood and YEC theres usually not much that can be done to help and bring them back to reality.

I do not quite see this as the battle you do. To me the flood is an interesting myth which is enjoyable to disprove.

However, I agree that the flood is a good topic to address. In this case the creationists do not have the advantage of being the skeptics as in the case of evolution, and since the flood is a very testable claim, we can hope to catch them there. I think that the evidence against the flood is overwhelming even ignoring the fact that there is little evidence to support it.

 

[TheKnight]

I don't think there is sufficient Biblical evidence to say that the Bible claims there was a worldwide flood.

If anything, it says there was a flood in the area where Noah was.

I'm not really aware of the evidence for/against this.

 

[dallas1125]

Honestly, your taking this literally. There are people who believe in a the literal reading but I dont.

I propose that long ago there was a local flood in the area and at the time it seemed to cover the world (to ancient man.)

 

[fantome profane]

I don't think there is sufficient Biblical evidence to say that the Bible claims there was a worldwide flood.

If anything, it says there was a flood in the area where Noah was.

I'm not really aware of the evidence for/against this.

Honestly I have never understood this idea that the Noah flood could have been a local flood. If it was a local flood why build an ark? When you consider all the time and effort involved in its construction it would have been much much easier simply to walk out of the effected area. If Noah was given enough prior warning to build an ark, he would have had more than enough warning to take his family and all the animals he cared to take away from the area that would be affected. He could have even made several trips.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Honestly, your taking this literally. There are people who believe in a the literal reading but I dont.

I propose that long ago there was a local flood in the area and at the time it seemed to cover the world (to ancient man.)

I agree, and other regions of that area also had flood stories. We find for example, the Sumerian flood story in the epic of Gilgamesh.

 

[outhouse]

I don't think there is sufficient Biblical evidence to say that the Bible claims there was a worldwide flood.

If anything, it says there was a flood in the area where Noah was.

I'm not really aware of the evidence for/against this.

come on bud its your bible, you know the passage that states it covered the highest mountains by over 20 feet.

havnt i already showed you this proof in another thread????

genesis 7:17,,, 19 and 20

whats funny is in those same passages it almost talks about a flat earth with a "statement " under the whole heavens lol

 

[dallas1125]

Honestly I have never understood this idea that the Noah flood could have been a local flood. If it was a local flood why build an ark? When you consider all the time and effort involved in its construction it would have been much much easier simply to walk out of the effected area. If Noah was given enough prior warning to build an ark, he would have had more than enough warning to take his family and all the animals he cared to take away from the area that would be affected. He could have even made several trips.

Lost Civilization in Persian Gulf

Check that out, then answer this.

Did flood myths arise from the possible flooding of the Persian Gulf region?

 

[darkendless]

I love how debates start off global and then when science comes forward they the supporters of flood myths turn to localized flooding to uphold biblical lore.

This debate is advanced though.

Comeon fundamentallists where are you? Where are your biblically charged pages of devoid science