The flood

[Bereanz]

You're funny.

I'd love to know what you think of Noah's flood.

It was a tragedy of epic proportion and a sad inditement on the human condition at the time where by (according to scripture) mankind had become so compelety evil that God's only alernative was to flush the whole shooting match down the toilet. If it's true then it proves God doesn't mince about with wickedness, so get right with God, if it isn't true, then what's all the fuss about.

I think a time is fast apporaching when people will be forced to face up to the fact that fossil remains actually proves a world wide deluge rather than the alternative.

However we dont need "scientific" evidence to prove revealed biblical fact. Although one would be quite within their rights to expect the Bible (if it is true) would be in line with "legitimate" discoveries made in the field of science.

What I think of the premise of this this thread is that illegitmate claims in science are being foisted on human beings as the truth, when they are not. In days gone by Human beings handed over their conscious to the Church Leaders, and to be fair, they where lead astray in some ways, particularly in the area of superstitious worship of relics. And because legitimate science has made such incredible advancement in many areas to the exceeding great benefit of mots of humanity, human beings have handed over their conscious to scientists, and to be fair they are being led astray with this Evolution nonsense.


Cheers

 

[darkendless]

I dont think much about it, it was a tragedy of epic proportion and a sad inditement on the human condition at the time where by (according to scripture) mankind had become so compelety evil that God's only alernative was to flush the whole shooting match down the toilet. If it's true then it proves God doesn't mince about with wickedness, so get right with God, if it isn't true, then what's all the fuss about.

So you actually think there was a worldwide flood and that a giant wooden boat kept God's chosen people alive?

I think a time is fast apporaching when people will be forced to face up to the fact that fossil remains actually proves a world wide deluge rather than the alternative.

Well the fossil record is very ambiguous evidence. I don't need the fossil record to disprove a worldwide flood. See page 2 of this thread.

However we dont need "scientific" evidence to prove revealed biblical fact. Although one would be quite within their rights to expect the Bible (if it is true) would be in line with "legitimate" discoveries made in the field of science.

The flood is no fact. Taken literally if you show it to someone in the riht field they'll laugh their socks off, as i do when i see people try and prove Noah's flood.

What I think of the premise of this this thread is that illegitmate claims in science are being foisted on human beings as the truth, when they are not. In days gone by Human beings handed over their conscious to the Church Leaders, and to be fair, they where lead astray in some ways, particularly in the area of superstitious worship of relics. And because legitimate science has made such incredible advancement in may areas, human beings have handed over their conscious to scientists, and to be fair they are being led astray with this Evolution nonsense.

Noah's story has nothing to do with evolution.

Something i quite often say on here when discussing geology is that you want to hope i'm not wrong. If i am wrong and my education is parallel with Geotechnical Engineers worldwide, you better hope you never go near buildings taller than about 3 stories.

Evolution is only nonsense to those ignorant and arrogant enough to ignore sound logic.

 

[Bereanz]

So you actually think there was a worldwide flood and that a giant wooden boat kept God's chosen people alive?



Well the fossil record is very ambiguous evidence. I don't need the fossil record to disprove a worldwide flood. See page 2 of this thread.



The flood is no fact. Taken literally if you show it to someone in the riht field they'll laugh their socks off, as i do when i see people try and prove Noah's flood.



Noah's story has nothing to do with evolution.

Something i quite often say on here when discussing geology is that you want to hope i'm not wrong. If i am wrong and my education is parallel with Geotechnical Engineers worldwide, you better hope you never go near buildings taller than about 3 stories.

Evolution is only nonsense to those ignorant and arrogant enough to ignore sound logic.

Obviously I knew the only reason you asked me what I thought was so that you could jump up on your soap box and tell me I'm arrogant illogical ignoramous, whilst beating your neanderthal like hirsute chest with one hand, holding a banana in the other and squaking that you're right, but it's makes for a great comedy (I like watching commedy when I know what happens next), thank's for playing along nicely with all the other children. Oh and by the way we also both know you already new what I thought before you asked me but it gave you another opportunity to role out the "giant wooden boat line" Personal favourite of yours is it? At least were all a step closer to understanding why socks are always dissapearing!! I call that progress!

 

[darkendless]

Obviously I knew the only reason you asked me what I thought was so that you could jump up on your soap box and tell me I'm arrogant illogical ignoramous, whilst beating your neanderthal like hirsute chest with one hand, holding a banana in the other and squaking that you're right, but it's makes for a great comedy (I like watching commedy when I know what happens next), thank's for playing along nicely with all the other children. Oh and by the way we also both know you already new what I thought before you asked me but it gave you another opportunity to role out the "giant wooden boat line" Personal favourite of yours is it? At least were all a step closer to understanding why socks are always dissapearing!! I call that progress!

No i gave you a chance to justify yourself. I only brought out the ignorant line because you need to use everything as an attack on evolution. I've seen it in 3 threads today. I just hope for your sake that Autodidact doesn't see your posts.

The giant wooden boat line is pretty weak. I'm yet to meet a creationist who is willing to debate geologically the plausability of the flood.

Sure i walked you straight into this, but given your scything attacks on evolution by sighting sources, i can't say i expected you to trump facts.

 

[Bereanz]

No i gave you a chance to justify yourself. I only brought out the ignorant line because you need to use everything as an attack on evolution. I've seen it in 3 threads today. I just hope for your sake that Autodidact doesn't see your posts.

The giant wooden boat line is pretty weak. I'm yet to meet a creationist who is willing to debate geologically the plausability of the flood.

Sure i walked you straight into this, but given your scything attacks on evolution by sighting sources, i can't say i expected you to trump facts.

Yaaaaaaawn, Bring out your Autodidacts.

PS: Christians don't attack Evolution, we leave people like Richard Dawkins to do that. The God Delusion was the most fabulous own goal I've ever read. You guys firing at the walled city with a P Shooter is tremendous sport.

 

[dallas1125]

Christians don't attack Evolution

:biglaugh:

 

[outhouse]

why do you fail to realize that science is right and evolution is fact???

your either very ignorant or uneducated to believe in the creation myth or YEC

there was never a global flood, we see exactly where the fictional story came from and the history falls apart on its own merit. science doesnt have to prove it never happened because its a myth.


Its so silly it really doesnt merit a reply

 

[Bereanz]

why do you fail to realize that science is right and evolution is fact???

Oh my goodness, what a cracker of a post, that one has to go down in the all time "special pleaders" hall of fame.

 

[painted wolf]

Ok kids.... let's try to calm down a bit shall we?

Christians attacking other Christians on their Christian-ness isn't very christian now is it... neither are personal attacks.

I know this is a touchy subject... but lets keep to evidence and acknowledge different sects interpret the Bible in different ways.

wa:do

 

[outhouse]

Its been said there is no debating a YEC and they are a lost cause

Im finding this to be true.


Ask bereanz if there is any proof that we could show him or her that would make them believe they are in fact wrong.

 

[Bereanz]

Its been said there is no debating a YEC and they are a lost cause

Im finding this to be true.


Ask bereanz if there is any proof that we could show him or her that would make them believe they are in fact wrong.

YEC as you call it, is as moot a point as to whether or not aliens exist to the fundqmental premise and arguments pout forth by Evolution. There are many non YEC who know evolution to be completely and utterly rediclous and pointless to argue with those who claim it to be proven science. Including athiests. That such a complete lack of evidence manifests and raises up such bitter and twsited band of died in the wool zealots is as shocking as any religious crusade or war and merely highlights the sad and tragic human condition.

 

[Dan4reason]

Equally the sceintific proof of a world wide deluge is there as well.

Can you provide me with this scientific evidence?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours, otherwise its just the usual Co2 emission talk fest.

I already have shown you my evidence against the flood in the OP.

Every so called scientific discipline over the course of time, archeaology, biology, chemistry, mathematics, anthropolgy, zoology, cosmology etc etc proves (or at the very least does not refute) biblical accounts.

They actually support evolution and the big bang, not young earth creationism and world-wide flood myths.

There has yet to be any reputable bonna fide "scientific evidence" to refute anything recorded in the Bible in any way shape or form.

That evidence is in the OP.

Which is why Dawkins resorted to a devilish PR campaign in a failed attempt to discredit the character of the God of the Bible.

I admit that Dawkins is a little crazy but there is nothing really satanistic about him. He provides evidence and argument and if you want to accuse him of dishonest be decent enough to justify this.

If you athiest "scientists" had any proof whatsoever, you wouldnt have the slightest inclination or need to even open a bible.

That is really kind of you but not all atheists here are scientists. We may sound like scientists to you but most of us are actually normal people with a decent understanding of science. We have evidence for the big bang and evolution but that is not what this thread is about.

In fact if you had conclusive proof of any kind, the bible woundn't be rushing of the shelves faster than any book known to mankind for, well, forever, inspite of no good press about it publically ANYWHERE, EVER!

Actually Christian belief is declining in the western world. In Europe most people are already non-Christian and America will become that way soon.

The most ludicrous thing of all in this whole sad scenario is that Dawkin's turns to a weird and whacky twisted exigesis of holy writ as EVIDENCE for athiesm. Thats right folks, the Word of God is now the accepted text for atheism. This is no different than any other form of Cult religion on the planet, the Cults are known for twisting scripture to make it line up with what they want it to say. Atheism is now no different. It really is a laugh riot folks, and very entertaining.

Examples???

 

[painted wolf]

YEC as you call it, is as moot a point as to whether or not aliens exist to the fundqmental premise and arguments pout forth by Evolution. There are many non YEC who know evolution to be completely and utterly rediclous and pointless to argue with those who claim it to be proven science. Including athiests. That such a complete lack of evidence manifests and raises up such bitter and twsited band of died in the wool zealots is as shocking as any religious crusade or war and merely highlights the sad and tragic human condition.

Given you have spent a good deal of energy attacking other Christians for not agreeing with you.... do you not think this statement is more than a little ironic?

wa:do

 

[ellenjanuary]

Gotta love the trip-math. With all the great mathematicians in the world, I feel pretty lowly at times... but it seems I just got a promotion. Who are those people, Morris and Panini? How does any mathematician with half a brain come up with numbers like ten to the eighty-six hundred?!?!

What happen to the flood, anyway? The only flood I see here is Beranaz and his vitriol. Keeps some people amused, I guess.

 

[David M]

Regarding the 51 facts, your post claims the brochure mentioning the 51 facts was not found, but it doesnt actually explain how and where they looked for it, or if in actural fact they even bothered to look.

The link shows a reply from the French Acedemy of Science in which they state that having checked the reports from the year 1861 there is no mention of this supposed article.

 

[Bereanz]

Now thats another lie from you. The link shows a reply from the French Acedemy of Science in which they state that having checked the reports from the year 1861 there is no mention of this supposed article.

As I suspected, obviously they didnt look very hard, I found it in five minutes. I also found the quote you cut and pasted that said it couldnt be found, about as quick as you found it, probably about 1 minute. Which potentially makes you guilty of libel for accusing me of lying mutiple times, not to mention slandering my character in a public forum. Just remember, satan is the accuser of the brethern and the father of all lies. Whatever spirit operates within you, is certainly not Christian, in my opinion.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k54558242/f7.image.pagination.r=scientifiques+.langEN
Du matérialisme au point de vue des sciences naturelles : et des progrès de l'esprit humain / par A. Nath. Böhner

 

[Bereanz]

Can you provide me with this scientific evidence?



I already have shown you my evidence against the flood in the OP.




They actually support evolution and the big bang, not young earth creationism and world-wide flood myths.



That evidence is in the OP.



I admit that Dawkins is a little crazy but there is nothing really satanistic about him. He provides evidence and argument and if you want to accuse him of dishonest be decent enough to justify this.



That is really kind of you but not all atheists here are scientists. We may sound like scientists to you but most of us are actually normal people with a decent understanding of science. We have evidence for the big bang and evolution but that is not what this thread is about.



Actually Christian belief is declining in the western world. In Europe most people are already non-Christian and America will become that way soon.



Examples???

The following points highlight the inadequacy of Uniformitarianism, which is a must for Evolution to hold water.

1 Volcanism and Igneous Rocks
2. Mountains
3. Continental Ice Sheets
4. Sedimentation
5. Fossil Grave Yards
6. Coal Beds
7. Foot prints of extinct Animals
8. Living Fossils
9. Rock Formations out of Sequence

The current time scale was frozen in essentially it's present form by 1840. Thats some fact for you to wrangle with. I think facts superceed the need to employ what ever ones concept of logic is. The above is all well known scientifically proven and documented fact. It's been known for decades I might add. Evidently something some brands of "science" have no interest in whatsoever. Incidently all of the above supports the world wide deluge far closer than it will ever favour Evolution.

 

[McBell]

Christians don't attack Evolution,

Interesting place you must live in.
One wonders how much you stop by the real world.

 

[Bereanz]

Interesting place you must live in.
One wonders how much you stop by the real world.

Are you the resident, "Goad people till they leave" guy?

 

[dallas1125]

Delete, moving to a new thread.