The flood

[outhouse]

Also in the USA you made it legal to murder over 1,000,000 human beings per year. And?

how so?

 

[dallas1125]

Also in the USA you made it legal to murder over 1,000,000 human beings per year. And?

opcorn:

I gotta see this!

 

[outhouse]

We can work out how old it is from the generations of mankind on this earth, all the way back to Adam, it's what you people call "young earth creationists". I call it biblical reality AKA fact. Given that we know (from the book of Books, the Bible) that the earth and the whole universe was created for mankinds enyoyment (and possibly the whole universe is required to make the conditions on our planet just right for us) it doesn't make sense to have it sitting around for billions of years before populating it with us lot, does it? There is nothing "scientific" to refute that the light from the stars appearing visibly to the human eye on our planet was immediate. The theory that it takes billions of years for light to reach earth is one thing that is used to "prove the billions of year old universe theory" is it not?

sir or mam this is only a lack af basic education for one to have such thoughts in my opinion.

the earth is roughly 4.6 billion years old and there is no debate nor is there a debate about evolution.

there are however those in denial due to there pitifull lack of education wanting to use a 3000 year old ancient jewish goat herders manual for a science book. in my opinion.

 

[micrurus]

We can work out how old it is from the generations of mankind on this earth, all the way back to Adam, it's what you people call "young earth creationists". I call it biblical reality AKA fact. Given that we know (from the book of Books, the Bible) that the earth and the whole universe was created for mankinds enyoyment (and possibly the whole universe is required to make the conditions on our planet just right for us) it doesn't make sense to have it sitting around for billions of years before populating it with us lot, does it? There is nothing "scientific" to refute that the light from the stars appearing visibly to the human eye on our planet was immediate. The theory that it takes billions of years for light to reach earth is one thing that is used to "prove the billions of year old universe theory" is it not?

I am almost in a loss of words for your lack of scientific understanding.

Let me be the first to tell you that if the universe is onley 6000 years old, your gps system would not work.

now i could explain to you how i got from A to B, but i think that you would symply fail or refuse to understand it ( somehow I get the idea that you dont even pay atention to peoples scientific claims).

so il tell you what, If you want me to back up my claim il give you some reasorces and you can figure it out yourself ( maybe youd accidently learn something that way)

in the mean time, dont trust tecnology.

 

[micrurus]

Also, until recently in the US blacks where legally listed as sub human. Also in the USA you made it legal to murder over 1,000,000 human beings per year. You did that by legally qualifying the human feotus as "not human" Which means you and I and everyone in this earth legally by US standards is not human. Theres an old saying "the law is an ***". Add hole to that and it would be more accuarte.

please tell me, When EXACTLY do you become human?

 

[Bereanz]

( somehow I get the idea that you dont even pay atention to peoples scientific claims).

I paid attention to the original post/cartoon in this thread that has been foisted on us as proof of evolution, it's a laugh riot, I'm only in here for the comedy me old chum.

 

[dallas1125]

I paid attention the original post/cartoon in this thread that has been foisted on us as proof of evolution, it's a laugh riot, I'm only in here for the comedy me old chum.

You dont like evolution, maybe you have a better alternative?

 

[Bereanz]

you dont know the first thing about hell

and less about science

and less about reality

in my opinion

Your opinions are about as useful to me as a base player auditioning for a gig with a one man band, in my opinion. But not quite as useful as a coffin is to a dead body.

 

[Bereanz]

You dont like evolution, maybe you have a better alternative?

Oh, I see you had to quickly change your last comment, ooops, another "scientific blunder, go back to your pop corn.

When we look at the fossil record we see the animals in the strata neatly organized in a fassion that you would expect if evolution were true

 

[Bereanz]

please tell me, When EXACTLY do you become human?

Ask the United States Government. Over there, if someone murders a pregant woman he is convicted for DOUBLE homicide and yet Doctors are murdering babies every day, "legally".

 

[dallas1125]

Oh, I see you had to quickly change your last comment, ooops, another "scientific blunder, go back to your pop corn.

Sorry, after so long I forgot it had evolution in it. Anyways I aint perfect neither are you.

Plus you avoided the important question. Do you have an alternative to evolution?

 

[dallas1125]

Ask the United State Government.

Why are you avoiding the questions?

 

[micrurus]

Ask the United States Government. Over there a if somone murders a pregant woman he is convicted for DOUBLE homicide and yet Doctors are murdering babies every day, "legally".

tha was not my question to you, a asked you, when EXACTY do you think you become human?

 

[micrurus]

I paid attention to the original post/cartoon in this thread that has been foisted on us as proof of evolution, it's a laugh riot, I'm only in here for the comedy me old chum.

you certainly are a good commedian

I dont think that you know what proof is, i dont think that you even know the principles of DNA, the anotomy of most vertebrates, or the ridiculously huge number of times that humen them selves both in history and in the present day have demonstrated evolution by selective breeding and genetic manipulation.

I dont even think that you know the basics of phisics do you know the formula f=m.a?

if im wrong, feel free to correct me. but so far you have failed to impress me in any way.

also, i find it disterbing that you often claim to have methematical proof of something. every time that i ask for verification, you don't speak of it anymore.

are you being deliberatly deceptive? because I do not have the least bit of respect for people who deliberatly try to decieve people on matters like this.

 

[RedOne77]

wasnt it invented by the church after 700 AD?

its very easy to see how hell evolved from sheol [grave or pit] with the myth hades used like sheol for grave and then into my favorite the valley of hinom, good ole gehenna the burning garbage pit outside the city where the firey hell was fictionized into hell

I'd have to find a source again, but the idea of eternal torment for unbelievers was around by the 6th century. Early Christianity had 6 major schools of learning/thought in the first 5 centuries. 4 preached universal salvation, one preached that unsaved souls were destroyed, and the one in Rome (the only one to use Latin translations instead of Greek original) preached eternal torture/Hell.

I don't see how you can get hell from Sheol. Sheol was the grave where both believers and non-believers went, and originally (before the Babylonian exile) there essentially was no conscious thought in Sheol. I think a "misunderstanding" of Gehenna is a more likely place for the origins of Hell.

Given that we know (from the book of Books, the Bible) that the earth and the whole universe was created for mankinds enyoyment (and possibly the whole universe is required to make the conditions on our planet just right for us) it doesn't make sense to have it sitting around for billions of years before populating it with us lot, does it?

Well, combine pride and narcissism and you can get a lot of strange ideas. As a kid I hypothesized that the Devil was invented by narcissists that wanted to feel special, as it is commonly portrayed that God and the Devil (who both have powers far greater than all of humanity put together) vigorously fight each other over who a single soul will choose. The idea that such a being would give that much of a c*** in such a round-about way seems very self-centered, at least the way I understood it at the time.

There is nothing "scientific" to refute that the light from the stars appearing visibly to the human eye on our planet was immediate. The theory that it takes billions of years for light to reach earth is one thing that is used to "prove the billions of year old universe theory" is it not?

I suppose there is nothing scientific to refute that everything was created last Tuesday either, but it ain't something I'd put any weight to too.

The speed of light (in a vacuum, which most of space is) is a constant; it's actually the product of a wave's frequency and wavelength (in a vacuum). We can measure the distance to the stars through parallax (triangulation), take the distance and divide it by the speed of light and that's how long it would take for light from that location to reach us.

Careful with your so called Logic there you wouldn't want to be perceived as a bunch of idiots with a reputation for not getting anything right. Ooops, too late!

Different people have different ideas, and I don't think it is that much of a stretch to assert that no matter what opinion or fact you state you will be perceived as an idiot by someone somewhere. So I'm not worried looking like an idiot, and I doubt others here are as well. For me, anyways, the idiot isn't the one who gets things wrong all the time, but the one who is unable or unwilling to learn from their mistakes. God knows there are far too many people like that out in the world today. Please don't end up being one of them.

 

[Bereanz]

you certainly are a good commedian

I dont think that you know what proof is, i dont think that you even know the principles of DNA, the anotomy of most vertebrates, or the ridiculously huge number of times that humen them selves both in history and in the present day have demonstrated evolution by selective breeding and genetic manipulation.

if im wrong, feel free to correct me. but so far you have failed to impress me in any way.

I have scientific evidence (to my own satisfaction) not to mention supernatural revealed evidence in my own personal experience (again to my own satisfaction) that God wrote the Bible through men. Which means I have scientific God given evidence (ie Science Himself) as to how the world was created and approxiamatly when it was created (and when i say approxiamatley I'm not talking a few hunderd thousand years here or there, which is of course rediculous), much more evidence than youve got to be frank with you. Does knowng what DNA is, prove evolution, or the autonomy of most vertebrates, etc etc? No!

I agree, with you, I am not scientist, I don't profess to be, but this thread is "you verses me", AKA evolution verses creation, so get over it.

I will say this though, genetic manipulation and the fact that my son is half Chinese and half Irish, is not evolution.

 

[Bereanz]

Sorry, after so long I forgot it had evolution in it. Anyways I aint perfect neither are you.

Plus you avoided the important question. Do you have an alternative to evolution?

Don't ask silly questions.

 

[dallas1125]

Don't ask silly questions.

Still avoiding questions...

 

[Bereanz]

I'd have to find a source again, but the idea of eternal torment for unbelievers was around by the 6th century. Early Christianity had 6 major schools of learning/thought in the first 5 centuries. 4 preached universal salvation, one preached that unsaved souls were destroyed, and the one in Rome (the only one to use Latin translations instead of Greek original) preached eternal torture/Hell.

I don't see how you can get hell from Sheol. Sheol was the grave where both believers and non-believers went, and originally (before the Babylonian exile) there essentially was no conscious thought in Sheol. I think a "misunderstanding" of Gehenna is a more likely place for the origins of Hell.



Well, combine pride and narcissism and you can get a lot of strange ideas. As a kid I hypothesized that the Devil was invented by narcissists that wanted to feel special, as it is commonly portrayed that God and the Devil (who both have powers far greater than all of humanity put together) vigorously fight each other over who a single soul will choose. The idea that such a being would give that much of a c*** in such a round-about way seems very self-centered, at least the way I understood it at the time.



I suppose there is nothing scientific to refute that everything was created last Tuesday either, but it ain't something I'd put any weight to too.

The speed of light (in a vacuum, which most of space is) is a constant; it's actually the product of a wave's frequency and wavelength (in a vacuum). We can measure the distance to the stars through parallax (triangulation), take the distance and divide it by the speed of light and that's how long it would take for light from that location to reach us.



Different people have different ideas, and I don't think it is that much of a stretch to assert that no matter what opinion or fact you state you will be perceived as an idiot by someone somewhere. So I'm not worried looking like an idiot, and I doubt others here are as well. For me, anyways, the idiot isn't the one who gets things wrong all the time, but the one who is unable or unwilling to learn from their mistakes. God knows there are far too many people like that out in the world today. Please don't end up being one of them.

I mean nothing I say here personally to any one IE the idiot remark. The reality is science makes a lot of mistakes that they have to learn from, that’s not necessarily a bad thing; I respect the toil of committed men and women in science for all the ground breaking things they have discovered and invented for the benefit humanity. But Doctors only figured out a 100 or so years ago that it might be a good idea to wash your hands thoroughly before surgery, when the bible informed us about this 4000 plus years ago about the necessity for hygene and cleanliness, any one who even so much as touched a dead body was BY LAW quaranteened out of the camp for no less that 7 days.

The ignorance of so called modern medicine/science is not just stupid, and narcissistic; it's at worst murder, at best gross misconduct of the highest order.

Science can of course say were very very sorry, but we didnt know. Well I say it's intellectually immoral to ignore the Bible until the things that are written in it are put to the test "scientifically." And individually.

 

[Bereanz]

Still avoiding questions...

Just the silly ones. Your answer is;

In the beginning God...

Next silly question?