The Folly of Atheism

[ArtieE]

“Bahá’u’lláh asked no one to accept His statements and His tokens blindly. On the contrary, He put in the very forefront of His teachings emphatic warnings against blind acceptance of authority, and urged all to open their eyes and ears, and use their own judgement, independently and fearlessly, in order to ascertain the truth. He enjoined the fullest investigation and never concealed Himself, offering, as the supreme proofs of His Prophethood, His words and works and their effects in transforming the lives and characters of men.” Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 8

If I were you I would stop quoting this there's nothing of value in it. There's more useful and detailed information in one page of a Michael Newton book or the Urantia Book that all you have quoted from this Bahá’u’lláh.
https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Newton/e/B000APC05I?ref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
https://www.urantia.org

 

[Trailblazer]

Is the Quran evidence for God?

Nonsense. He can just show up at any reputable scientific institution and show them his backparts and they could do any tests they like. Exodus 33:23 Then I will take My hand away, and you will see My back; but My face must not be seen."

Yes. the Qur'an is evidence for God.

No, God cannot show up at a scientific institution.
God is not a man with a face or hands and feet. These are the delusions people get from reading the Bible.

 

[Trailblazer]

If I were you I would stop quoting this there's nothing of value in it. There's more useful and detailed information in one page of a Michael Newton book or the Urantia Book that all you have quoted from this Bahá’u’lláh.
https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Newton/e/B000APC05I?ref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
https://www.urantia.org

The Urantia book was not written by a Manifestation of God.
I have hardly quoted anything of what Baha'u'llah has written.

 

[Altfish]

So also can abortion ruin a woman's life.

I believe in free education and healthcare and support for stay-at-home mothers.

Here in the UK, religion is less politicised and polarised than in the USA.

Exactly, that's why we have access to abortions, which is good.

 

[ArtieE]

Yes. the Qur'an is evidence for God.

No, God cannot show up at a scientific institution.
God is not a man with a face or hands and feet. These are the delusions people get from reading the Bible.

Please clarify. Unless a book is regarded as trustworthy it obviously can't be regarded as evidence for anything. So you see the Quran as trustworthy but not the Bible?

 

[Altfish]

Apart from Chance, God is the only possible explanation.

"Invent God" ? How ? We - and our minds - are God's invention.

Gods arose because of man's lack of understanding; We didn't understand thunder so we invented a god to explain it. We didn't understand many natural phenomena so a god was thought up to explain it. But as science has advanced it has become a 'God of the gaps'
God id NOT an explanation, god is an excuse for lack of knowledge.
And when we have the feeble excuse "God was always there" when asked who created god, it is obvious that it is all made up.

 

[ArtieE]

The Urantia book was not written by a Manifestation of God.

You mean you believe the Urantia Book was not written by a Manifestation of God. It is still packed with useful and detailed information. I am in the process of reading it. Have you read it? Because the correct procedure for determining the value of a book is to read it first and then use logic, reason and common sense etc to determine whether the information has any truth value or makes sense or not.

 

[ArtieE]

Eternity will then be spent as God intended it to be spent...in useful work as caretakers and zookeepers and landscapers and gardeners, sharing the work with others who also enjoy maintaining the beauty of it.....and with enhanced mental and physical capacity, there will be endless discovery caring for the earth and its myriad inhabitants....learning more about them and their natural habitats which will be preserved for them, rather than being destroyed to make way for selfish humans.

If we choose God....this is what is promised......choose to believe in nothing, means that nothing is what you get in return. That is what we see as the choices.

Does it bother you at all that as a supposedly grown woman you are quoting a standard fairy tale ending? "A happy ending is epitomized in the standard fairy tale ending phrase, "happily ever after" or "and they lived happily ever after"." Happy ending - Wikipedia

 

[Deeje]

How about if you read these books and learn what actually happens after you die? https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Newton/e/B000APC05I?ref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_shareSeriously!?

I don't need to read those books to know what happens after you die......nothing happens after you die. Why does it need to?
I am a Bible believer and it says you sleep. Isn't that why REST IN PEACE is on tombstones?

Spending an eternity playing caretakers and zookepers and landscapers and gardeners on one planet in a universe full of them!? I'd go bonkers with boredom!

Not me....I'd love that! Imagine having the whole world to explore and never having to worry about time, or getting old, or getting sick....sounds good to me.

Would there at least be any chance of expanding out in the universe and explore and colonize all the other planets!?

Of course...its a big universe.....why not?

 

[Deeje]

Does it bother you at all that as a supposedly grown woman you are quoting a standard fairy tale ending? "A happy ending is epitomized in the standard fairy tale ending phrase, "happily ever after" or "and they lived happily ever after"." Happy ending - Wikipedia

Fairy tales belong to fairies....I don't believe in fairies....I believe in God. I assure you, he's no fairy......

 

[usfan]

I do not see ANY empirical evidence, for any of the popular belief systems. They are ALL beliefs, that we have arrived at via multiple influences in our lives. I will also list the Basic Beliefs, for any who might be interested. Here is my summary:

1. 'I believe in God & the supernatural'
2. 'I DON'T believe in God or the supernatural'
3. 'I don't know'.
4. 'The question is absurd, nothing is knowable, or i don't like the options'.

The common labels for these belief statements, in the English language, are as follows:

1. Theism
2. Atheism
3. Agnosticism
4. Absurdism

I cannot see any other basic beliefs about the nature of the universe, & i hesitate to include 'agnosticism', since it is merely a declaration of ignorance, or no opinion. But, since it is a popular label, i have included it. Absurdism is less common, & is a throwback to the greek skeptics, who declared all knowledge, 'unknowable'. It also includes those who put the Answer at '42', or some other absurdist reply.

 

[ArtieE]

I don't need to read those books to know what happens after you die......nothing happens after you die.

Then you are being wilfully ignorant. Here is the link again. Try educating yourself for once. https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Newton/e/B000APC05I?ref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

I am a Bible believer and it says you sleep.

Notice how brainwashing works. No need to read other books when you are brainwashed into believing that one book contains everything you need to know.

 

[ArtieE]

Fairy tales belong to fairies....I don't believe in fairies....I believe in God. I assure you, he's no fairy......

You just proved to us that you believe in fairy tale endings...

 

[ArtieE]

I do not see ANY empirical evidence, for any of the popular belief systems. They are ALL beliefs, that we have arrived at via multiple influences in our lives. I will also list the Basic Beliefs, for any who might be interested. Here is my summary:'I believe in God & the supernatural'

This is a belief.

'I DON'T believe in God or the supernatural'

This is not a belief, it's the absence of a belief. I DO NOT believe as opposed to I DO BELIEVE. The key word here is NOT which describes "NO BELIEF".

'I don't know'.

This has nothing to do with belief only with knowledge. You can say "I don't know" and believe absolutely anything you want.

 

[usfan]

Redefine Science. Among atheists, especially the militant ones, the common theme is, 'Theists are religious, atheists follow science'. This is fundamentally flawed on many levels:

1. Science is indifferent to worldviews, & only provides facts or evidence. Human beings cobble those facts together to fit within a belief system.
2. There are NO scientific facts or evidence that compels an atheistic worldview. Naturalism is a belief, & is not a proven concept, scientifically. It is not even a good theory of origins, but is filled with assumptions, flaws, & logical fallacies.
3. The scientific method is one of discovery, & is not dependent on one's religious beliefs.
4. Atheism is every much a belief system.. a 'religion'.. as any theistic based one.
5. This is merely an argument by definition, or using circular reasoning. It is merely a definitional dodge, not a logical conclusion.
6. It is false by observation, as many brilliant scientists have been theists, & have made astounding discoveries. There is no conflict in using the scientific method & personal beliefs.
7. Many atheists are not scientists, nor do they have the tools for critical thinking & inquiry, and do not know the scientific basis for their beliefs. Theirs is a religious belief, based on trust in an indoctrinating elite.

The deeper question:

Why do you believe what you believe? What factors and influence have contributed to shaping your worldview?

 

[ArtieE]

Atheism is every much a belief system.. a 'religion'.. as any theistic based one.

OK... I'm an atheist... can you name four things I need to believe to be an atheist? A "system" requires several beliefs.

1. No belief in the existence of gods.
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[Deeje]

Then you are being wilfully ignorant. Here is the link again. Try educating yourself for once. https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Newton/e/B000APC05I?ref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

I don't need a book written by a man to understand what happens to us when we die.....I will take the word of the one who created life to tell us what happens after death....he says nothing happens...I believe him. I have it on good authority that it is true.

Notice how brainwashing works. No need to read other books when you are brainwashed into believing that one book contains everything you need to know.

It does contain everything I need to know.....perhaps Michael Newton writes fairy tales? How would you know?
Are you brainwashed into believing in other books?

You just proved to us that you believe in fairy tale endings...

Fairy tale?...or happily ever after? Funny how humans are drawn to those kinds of happy ending stories.....the Bible end with happily ever after.....I can handle that. You can believe it or not.....it makes no difference to my hope.

 

[JJ50]

I don't need a book written by a man to understand what happens to us when we die.....I will take the word of the one who created life to tell us what happens after death....he says nothing happens...I believe him. I have it on good authority that it is true.



It does contain everything I need to know.....perhaps Michael Newton writes fairy tales? How would you know?
Are you brainwashed into believing in other books?




Fairy tale?...or happily ever after? Funny how humans are drawn to those kinds of happy ending stories.....the Bible end with happily ever after.....I can handle that. You can believe it or not.....it makes no difference to my hope.

Hope is all you have no verifiable evidence.

 

[usfan]

This is a belief.
This is not a belief, it's the absence of a belief. I DO NOT believe as opposed to I DO BELIEVE.
This has nothing to do with belief only with knowledge. You can say "I don't know" and believe absolutely anything you want.

So you believe..

I observe that most people do not (or cannot) differentiate between their beliefs, and knowledge. Facts and opinions are all jumbled together in a primordial soup of 'worldview'.

Atheism is a belief in 'no God', regardless of the insistence on some PC way of phrasing it. This obsession with an Approved, Official Way of defining 'atheism', is just evidence of the folly of atheism, or more exactly, the folly of some atheists.

Snowflake Effect? Indoctrination? Religious bigotry? i don't know. But for some unknown reason, many atheists bristle at the idea that they have a belief.. an opinion about the universe, when it is undeniable that they do. They defend and promote their beliefs with religious zeal, so how can there be this absurd claim of intellectual neutrality?

God vs no God

That is the simple dichotomy that differentiates theism vs atheism.

Theists believe in some kind of supernatural Entity. Atheists do not. Both are beliefs, about the nature of the universe.

 

[ArtieE]

It does contain everything I need to know.....

And now you are just giving us another example how brainwashing works and how dangerous it can be when people refuse to educate themselves.