metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't worship in the conventional sense of the word-- I use contemplative meditation even when at Catholic services with my wife.
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The Four Dirty Secrets Against Darwin Evolution
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I don't worship in the conventional sense of the word-- I use contemplative meditation even when at Catholic services with my wife.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Where in scripture is that supposedly found?
BTW, I've followed the Jordan River all the way from the Dead Sea all the way to the Golan Heights back in 1991 while on a study. I've never read or heard of the Jordan River parting.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Joshua 3:
Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 3 - New International Version
Crossing the Jordan - Early in the morning Joshua and all the Israelites set out from ****tim and went to the Jordan, where they camped before crossing over. After three days the officers went throughout the camp, giving orders to the people: “When you see the ark of the covenant of the LORD...
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Joshua 3:
Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 3 - New International Version
Crossing the Jordan - Early in the morning Joshua and all the Israelites set out from ****tim and went to the Jordan, where they camped before crossing over. After three days the officers went throughout the camp, giving orders to the people: “When you see the ark of the covenant of the LORD...www.biblegateway.com
From the RSV, here:
Josh.3[1]Early in the morning Joshua rose and set out from ****tim, with all the people of Israel; and they came to the Jordan, and lodged there before they passed over.
IOW, no reference to God parting it.
That seems very unlikely to me given the natural of quantum mechanics. Maybe we are using different definitions of the term 'cause'?
Once again, we *know* that quantum events tends NOT to be caused in any classical sense.
Oh, absolutely.
It just seems like a misuse of the word 'God' to me.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them. 15 Now the Jordan is at flood stage all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water’s edge, 16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (that is, the Dead Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho. 17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord stopped in the middle of the Jordan and stood on dry ground, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.
I guess it was to be assumed that when the priests carrying God's magic box touched the water and it stopped flowing that was God doing it somehow.
I linked the whole chapter since it was not that long of one.
Look at Josh 3:9-17.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And the key word above is "classical".
By chance, have you read of the numerous hypotheses on the cause of the BB by cosmologists? At this point at least, they don't know any more than we do.
Maybe-- maybe not.
Einstein felt that God was likely the energy of creation but also felt that the idea of final judgement and heaven & hell was "childish". Spinoza concluded that it's impossible to know the answer about "creation" but did feel that we are basically thinking and compassionate creatures, and he considered that to be the ideal.
Let me recommend "A Book Forged In Hell" by Nadler, which is about Spinoza's hypotheses.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes. The relativity theories are complicated, and not particularly intuitive. They're not theories you can compare to everyday experience. You really have to accept the maths involved.
That said, quantum mechanics is even crazier; totally out of the ball park. It makes no sense at all, experientially -- yet it works. Eppur si muove.
Trying to judge reality by everyday experience can be a stumbling block.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
LOL you don't get it. No, I don't think sci fi is "reality." It's clearly fiction. But it's fiction that turns over ethical issues, and makes me really think. This is why fiction is so valuable as a means of teaching values.
Let me ask you a question. Does it ruin the message of the parable when you think about how there was no literal historical Good Samaritan?
Personally, I think those denying science the loudest want science to be wrong so desperately, they go to almost any lengths to find a way to convince themselves it is wrong.
And given the evidence indicates that deniers often know so little about science, the things that are turned to are often logically flawed, nonsensical or erroneous.
Esteban X
Active Member
Exactly what I said.
Two propositions;
a. I do not believe that god(s) exist.
b. I believe that god(s) do not exist.
Seemingly similar but very different. Of course there are many nuanced views between and beyond these two.
Esteban X
Active Member
Do you not believe that leprechauns exist or do you believe that leprechauns don't exist. Two very different propositions
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I realize that. I am not convinced as to how life originated. Except by "God's hand," i.e., His creative power.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I must say that I don't agree with everything @TrueBeliever37 believes, but I must also say that question about leprechauns is ridiculous.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And you just admitted to not reasoning rationally. If you could make a coherent argument for God creating life then you might be able to find some evidence for it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Are you serious? You cannot see the difference between those two questions?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
"basic" cause and effect?
What you refer to by "basic" is actually just classical newtonian-style physics as it applies within a space-time continuum.
These physics fall apart both at the quantum level as well as at T = 0 (= the start of the space-time continuum, aka the universe).
There is no phenomenon of causality as we know it at the quantum level.
And as causes happen before effects, causality necessarily requires temporal conditions. ie, the existence of a time-dimension. A dimension which is not present at T = 0.
To ask about "what happened 'before' the universe" thus becomes asking "what happened 'before' time" which is a non-sensical question.
It's like asking "who lives north of the north pole". There is no north of the north pole....
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That is not even close to what she said and you know it.
Shame on you