The Four Dirty Secrets Against Darwin Evolution

[YoursTrue]

I'm sick & tired of you twisting my words and having me saying things I did not say nor imply. How is that moral in any way? How is that being Christian?

Believe what you want, fabricate all the stories you want, but I'm done.

Although now that you mention it about being Christian, what do you think it means to be Christian? To say that the whole Bible is mythical? But anyway, you have a good day...I wish you well.

 

[metis]

myth
[miTH]
noun

1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events

Note that it does not imply falsehood.

 

[Pogo]

myth
[miTH]
noun

1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events

Note that it does not imply falsehood.

@YoursTrue seems to be rather new to understanding the breadth of the English language and the variety of religious expression and knowledge.
I could answer her other question reasonably as:
: a person who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.
Pretty much everything else involved with the word relates to individual groups and not relevant to the primary definition.

Maybe attributable to her claimed former professed atheism, but not typical even of that group.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I'm sick & tired of you twisting my words and having me saying things I did not say nor imply.

Exactly why I stopped talking to him.

 

[YoursTrue]

@YoursTrue seems to be rather new to understanding the breadth of the English language and the variety of religious expression and knowledge.
I could answer her other question reasonably as:
: a person who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.
Pretty much everything else involved with the word relates to individual groups and not relevant to the primary definition.

Maybe attributable to her claimed former professed atheism, but not typical even of that group.

Well I am inquiring about those claiming to be Christian and along with the account of Jesus born of a virgin and along with that the belief that humans are a result of...evolution...how they figure that. Of course some obviously claim it's all a myth. I used to sing in church professionally while I was an atheist. The choir master did not inquire about my beliefs. Now I realize better certain things. So thanks for that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Exactly why I stopped talking to him.

Aw...

 

[YoursTrue]

Exactly why I stopped talking to him.

You too probably like what you consider the myths in the Torah rather than what you consider as mythical in the new testament.

 

[YoursTrue]

@YoursTrue seems to be rather new to understanding the breadth of the English language and the variety of religious expression and knowledge.
I could answer her other question reasonably as:
: a person who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.
Pretty much everything else involved with the word relates to individual groups and not relevant to the primary definition.

Maybe attributable to her claimed former professed atheism, but not typical even of that group.

So do you also say the account about Jesus is a myth? I mean I might be wrong but figure you do not profess to be a Christian.

 

[YoursTrue]

myth
[miTH]
noun

1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events

Note that it does not imply falsehood.

Well let's get back to your opinion about whether you think the account of the virgin birth is a myth. Now maybe you say it's true? You know as you say a myth does not imply falsehood. Lol thanks. I'm outta this classroom. But I may make a few comments here and there.

 

[Pogo]

So do you also say the account about Jesus is a myth? I mean I might be wrong but figure you do not profess to be a Christian.

Well I was raised Unitarian though I have fallen away from even that, and yes, I do consider the life of Jesus as written in the new Testament to be a myth though one that could well be based on a real person. Either way, the story describes a good person trying to lead a good life and helpful to others which were I the type to be a follower then I might well be an atheist christian. Most Unitarians believe in a god, but generally not of the Abrahamic sort and consider Jesus as a person to emulate along with others such as Ghandi.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well I was raised Unitarian though I have fallen away from even that, and yes, I do consider the life of Jesus as written in the new Testament to be a myth though one that could well be based on a real person. Either way, the story describes a good person trying to lead a good life and helpful to others which were I the type to be a follower then I might well be an atheist christian. Most Unitarians believe in a god, but generally not of the Abrahamic sort and consider Jesus as a person to emulate along with others such as Ghandi.

Ok and I appreciate that. Meaning your honesty about your beliefs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm beginning to think based on your comments that the theory of evolution is about on the same level as the dogma of the eternal virginity of Mary. Among other things.

1. it isn't, off course

2. and dogma on the level of christian mythology is bad, right? it's a reason good enough by itself to reject it as being unquestionable dishonesty, right?


I always find it hilarious to see creationists claim about evolution that it is religion-like, as if it is a bad thing and a reason not to believe it.
The irony............

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's like true in the unassailable scientific sense.

It's true to the extent that the facts of reality support it, like any other scientific theory.
And evolution theory just so happens to be extraordinarily well supported.

You believe the theory of evolution, don't you? If the Pope says evolution is true, one must come to terms that he also says the eternal virginity of Mary is true beyond question.

I accept evolution theory as the best supported explanation of the facts, because it is the best supported. I couldn't care less what the pope has to say about it.

Although the theory of evolution is not, I suppose many might think, is without question, yet the Pope believes it.

No scientific theory is without question.
On what grounds, other then personal incredulity, would you question the theory though?

So on a level of truth, it's as good as the dogma of the perpetual virginity of Mary.

No.
On the level of truth, it's as good as any other well-supported theory of science.
It could be said though, that in all of science, evolution is among the best supported, if not THE best supported.
We know more about evolution then we do about gravity, for example.

If you don't accept that they are parallel doctrines, even if you don't believe the theory of evolution is a doctrine or dogma, that's ok, it's up to you. The End.

Evolution is a theory.

Theories aren't doctrines nor dogma.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Oh so thermodynamics is more complicated than the theory of evolution...you say...lol ok.

Absolutely.

The basics of the theory of evolution actually aren't complicated at all.
Once you zoom in on the molecular underpinnings of it all, the genetics etc, yes, obviously that gets complicated.

The basic principles however (mutate, survive, reproduce repeat), really aren't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why is it "just wrong"?

Go out, look up. See that giant ball of nuclear fire in the sky? It's called the sun. It feeds the earth with workable energy 24/7. The person you copy-pasted that nonsense from seems to be unaware of the existence of that giant ball of nuclear fire.

 

[Valjean]

Well I am inquiring about those claiming to be Christian and along with the account of Jesus born of a virgin and along with that the belief that humans are a result of...evolution...how they figure that. Of course some obviously claim it's all a myth. I used to sing in church professionally while I was an atheist. The choir master did not inquire about my beliefs. Now I realize better certain things. So thanks for that.

We just assess then follow the evidence.
EG. virgin vs non-virgin, Con: 1. All empirical and experiential evidence indicates pregnancy is universally non-virginal. 2. No natural mechanism would produce pregnancy in a virgin. 3. The virgin birth was not an original part of Christian doctrine, but a later addition.
Pro: The Bible, a much edited anthology of ancient folk tales and mythology, says so.

Evolution. Con: The Bible says so.
Pro: Consilient evidence too extensive be treated here. Google -- or read a biology textbook.

So where is the preponderance of evidence, here? Isn't the rational thing to favor the better evidenced claim?
That's how rational people "figure that."

 

[anotherneil]

1. it isn't, off course

2. and dogma on the level of christian mythology is bad, right? it's a reason good enough by itself to reject it as being unquestionable dishonesty, right?


I always find it hilarious to see creationists claim about evolution that it is religion-like, as if it is a bad thing and a reason not to believe it.
The irony............

LOL I noticed that too & it made me roll my eyes. I guess it's a matter of cognitive dissonance.