The future of Islam and Haqqislam.

[Theweirdtophat]

I never understood why people talk about "Islam" and mention nothing else, as if to assume Islam has no branches. There is no Islam. There's a bunch of braces within Islam like with almost every other religion. but people see something dumb in one religion and assume all of the branches are the same. That's like saying Catholics and Orthodox Christians are the same because they read the Bible.

 

[Lorgar-Aurelian]

Plus the fact that no small number of Muslim countries either imprisons you or cuts off your head for daring to leave the faith.

Yeah, I think the thing that annoys me most about Haqqislam is that they are touted as being a revival of humanistic Islam. We've never seen an example of Humanistic Islam.

 

[Lorgar-Aurelian]

I never understood why people talk about "Islam" and mention nothing else, as if to assume Islam has no branches. There is no Islam. There's a bunch of braces within Islam like with almost every other religion. but people see something dumb in one religion and assume all of the branches are the same. That's like saying Catholics and Orthodox Christians are the same because they read the Bible.

No one said anything about the branches being all the same. IT doesn't take a genius to realize that Shia and Sunni are different. That doesn't even get into things like schools of thought or "heretical" branches. Islam is stupid because pretty much no matter how you look at it the quran is ridiculous and Muhammad was a ****. What else do you need exactly?

 

[Theweirdtophat]

No one said anything about the branches being all the same. IT doesn't take a genius to realize that Shia and Sunni are different. That doesn't even get into things like schools of thought or "heretical" branches. Islam is stupid because pretty much no matter how you look at it the quran is ridiculous and Muhammad was a ****. What else do you need exactly?

Nobody has to say it. They act like it. That was my point

How much have you read the Quran? Ever read the history behind the Quran and look at both sides? You have to read more than 2 pages of the Quran to understand what's going on you know. But a lot of the time, hatred and fear is based on ignorance. Simply not having enough knowledge of the religion culture or the people. Most people who dislike Muslims have never even met one, but are just spoon fed information of what they think is true. They'll say the Quran speaks of nothing but violence but completely overlook the parts where is forbids force conversion, torture, helping the poor and living peacefully with disbelievers.

Who knows what Muhammad was really like? People say Abrahma Lincoln was a great guy but when you look deeper into history it says otherwise, where he invaded the south, destroyed livestock and crippled the South. He was also going against the Arab Pagans you know and you have to look at the history behind that. A lot of the time, when a new religion is created, it's persecuted by others around it. But not too many people like to look at the history behind it. They just say "I think it's stupid because I say so"

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The only thing I see here that is regressive are your comments, and your continued rude, uninformed attacks on Muslims.

Also, it's not surprising that this is all you see. It seems you think Islam & Muslims can do literally nothing wrong.

 

[YmirGF]

Muslims were cleaning their behinds long before, say 1100 years before Europeans.

It is hard to imagine that you are being serious mentioning this.

Something to consider. Also scientifically they led Europe for centuries.

It was somewhat akin to a turtle racing a sloth. There were still quite primitive and there wasn't much science, as we recognize the term, in their endeavors.

 

[Lorgar-Aurelian]

It is hard to imagine that you are being serious mentioning this.

It was somewhat akin to a turtle racing a sloth. There were still quite primitive and there wasn't much science, as we recognize the term, in their endeavors.

It should also be pointed out that most of their "Inventions" weren't actually theirs but newer versions of things the greeks, the roman and the Byzantines had for quite some time. Most of their philosophy was a mix of Aristotle and their own theology. Last but not least for all their scientific advancement they still never figured out how many scientific things the quran was wrong on. None of this dissuaded fanatics and mistreatment of nonmuslims as well.

I think the funniest thing is that some of them try to take the inaccurate science in the quran (cough) development of the fetus (cough) and try to pass it off as real science. The idea that Islam was some super advanced religion while Christians were a bunch of backward savages comes from modern liberals, not history. If you've ever read about al andalus and not read ****ing propaganda you'd see the muslim rulers were cruel and downright ******** to pretty much everyone.

 

[MD]

It should also be pointed out that most of their "Inventions" weren't actually theirs but newer versions of things the greeks, the roman and the Byzantines had for quite some time. Most of their philosophy was a mix of Aristotle and their own theology. Last but not least for all their scientific advancement they still never figured out how many scientific things the quran was wrong on. None of this dissuaded fanatics and mistreatment of nonmuslims as well.

I think the funniest thing is that some of them try to take the inaccurate science in the quran (cough) development of the fetus (cough) and try to pass it off as real science. The idea that Islam was some super advanced religion while Christians were a bunch of backward savages comes from modern liberals, not history. If you've ever read about al andalus and not read ****ing propaganda you'd see the muslim rulers were cruel and downright ******** to pretty much everyone.

I would have to argue that a lot of the Muslim Golden Age was simply a continuation of a renaissance starting in Sassanian Iran. The Persians had a lot of knowledge for a long time, and that foundation contributed greatly to the Islamic Golden Age.

The Muslim world at the time simply had better administration and transfer of knowledge. It's why the Golden Age occurred. They were far more unified than the Middle East was before them.

 

[Baroodi]

Islam is the fastest growing religion despite the fact that a sort of war was launched against it. Evey one knows now What is happening in the middle East is a consequence of this dirty war. The havoc in the middle East will continue for many years to come. The big boys will not bother to stop it although they are quiet able to do that. How ISIS, the extremist terrorists can gain such a power and dominance in the world of today?

 

[Lorgar-Aurelian]

Islam is the fastest growing religion despite the fact that a sort of war was launched against it. Evey one knows now What is happening in the middle East is a consequence of this dirty war. The havoc in the middle East will continue for many years to come. The big boys will not bother to stop it although they are quiet able to do that. How ISIS, the extremist terrorists can gain such a power and dominance in the world of today?

Most of the whole fastest growing religion thing isn't really working the way muslims think it is. It's mostly just that muslims have more children than non muslims. This assumes children would maintain the faith of their fathers but there are quite a few exmuslims now.

ISIS gains favor from the dissatisfaction of the people. You can't constantly blame other countries for your misfortune. What specific dirty war are you even talking about?

 

[MD]

Nobody has to say it. They act like it. That was my point

How much have you read the Quran? Ever read the history behind the Quran and look at both sides? You have to read more than 2 pages of the Quran to understand what's going on you know. But a lot of the time, hatred and fear is based on ignorance. Simply not having enough knowledge of the religion culture or the people. Most people who dislike Muslims have never even met one, but are just spoon fed information of what they think is true. They'll say the Quran speaks of nothing but violence but completely overlook the parts where is forbids force conversion, torture, helping the poor and living peacefully with disbelievers.

Who knows what Muhammad was really like? People say Abrahma Lincoln was a great guy but when you look deeper into history it says otherwise, where he invaded the south, destroyed livestock and crippled the South. He was also going against the Arab Pagans you know and you have to look at the history behind that. A lot of the time, when a new religion is created, it's persecuted by others around it. But not too many people like to look at the history behind it. They just say "I think it's stupid because I say so"

He's an ex Muslim, he knows more than you I'm sure

 

[psychoslice]

I would have to argue that a lot of the Muslim Golden Age was simply a continuation of a renaissance starting in Sassanian Iran. The Persians had a lot of knowledge for a long time, and that foundation contributed greatly to the Islamic Golden Age.

The Muslim world at the time simply had better administration and transfer of knowledge. It's why the Golden Age occurred. They were far more unified than the Middle East was before them.

What happened to them, they certainly are not that anymore/

 

[MD]

What happened to them, they certainly are not that anymore/

To whom? The Muslim Golden Age or the Persians?

 

[psychoslice]

To whom? The Muslim Golden Age or the Persians?

Sorry the Golden age.

 

[LuisDantas]

I never understood why people talk about "Islam" and mention nothing else, as if to assume Islam has no branches. There is no Islam. There's a bunch of braces within Islam like with almost every other religion. but people see something dumb in one religion and assume all of the branches are the same. That's like saying Catholics and Orthodox Christians are the same because they read the Bible.

I don't think a Muslim saying similar things would find much acceptance in Islaamic communities.

Are you even aware that Muslims often attempt to deny what you just said and insist on the need, if not the actual existence, of an "union among all Muslims"?

Yeah, I think the thing that annoys me most about Haqqislam is that they are touted as being a revival of humanistic Islam. We've never seen an example of Humanistic Islam.

For a very good reason: it is a direct contradiction of meanings. Islaam is submissive to a supposed divine revelation. It is not meant nor suitable to be humanistic, except to the extent that one might hope or have faith that said revelation coincides with some subset of humanistic goals.

Islam is the fastest growing religion despite the fact that a sort of war was launched against it.

And to a very great extent, because it revels in posing itself as the heroic resistance against the waves of disaster-bound unbelievers.

The psychology of it is very well-known in current times. People are very vulnerable to claims of the need to keep true to the tribe in order to resist some form of external threat.

Anyone who has read the Qur'an to any significant extent with even a modicum of honesty knows full well that Islaam takes full benefit of that feature of human beings.

It is even questionable if Islaam could exist without having some sort of "external" enemy. It sure does not go out of the way to pursue such a situation...

Every one knows now What is happening in the middle East is a consequence of this dirty war.

Actually, many people cling to hopes and fantasies that it somehow isn't, and that Islaam can somehow exist without breeding paranoia in order to justify itself.

The havoc in the middle East will continue for many years to come. The big boys will not bother to stop it although they are quiet able to do that.

I very much doubt it (and I assume you meant "quite"). War is a nasty thing that can only end in disaster.

How ISIS, the extremist terrorists can gain such a power and dominance in the world of today?

People have always been easily manipulated into killing each other. ISIS is simply one more example of that, in a social environment that is particularly vulnerable - mostly because it is so predominantly Muslim.

 

[Lyndon]

Many posters are so vehemently anti Muslim, that their comments lack any kind of objective credibility.

 

[LuisDantas]

Many posters are so vehemently anti Muslim, that their comments lack any kind of objective credibility.

What you say here sure looks a lot like an admission of strong bias.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Many posters are so vehemently anti Muslim, that their comments lack any kind of objective credibility.

Do you think the same of ex-Muslims who have their lives threatened, sometimes by their own family? Do you think the same of posters like @MD who have grown up around Muslims and, as a religious minority, have been subject to the sort of Islamic bigotry they describe? If you do not, then how are people like me who've not experienced any of this but do listen to the experiences of ex-Muslims and non-Muslim minorities any different?

Why are you credible for believing the posts & opinions of Muslims but I'm not credible for believing the first-hand experiences of ex-Muslims?

 

[Rival]

Why are you credible for believing the posts & opinions of Muslims but I'm not credible for believing the first-hand experiences of ex-Muslims?

Because humans want to be happy not intelligent.

 

[Lyndon]

Because humans want to be happy not intelligent.

Speak for yourself!!