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The genocide of the Christian population in the cradle of Christianity. How do we respond?

Angela Ross

New Member
Today we observe a terrifying picture: the two-thousand year Christian presence in the Middle East and Africa is rapidly disappearing. According to figures by the Centre for the Study of World Christianity, in 2016 alone there were killed 90 thousand Christians, that is, every six minutes a Christian dies for his faith. Between half a million and six hundred thousand Christians are enduring harassment and restrictions in confessing their faith. This means that the world community has been unable to learn the lessons of the destructive wars of the twentieth century and, as before, places political interests above fundamental human rights.


In this regard the Billy Graham Evangelical Association organized the World Summit of Christian Leaders in Defense of Persecuted Christians. About a thousand delegates from more than 150 countries attended the summit on May 10-13 in Washington. The reason for such a large event was persecution of Christians of the Middle East, Africa and other regions of the world. In scale, these unprecedented in modern history persecutions can be compared only with the persecution of Christians in the first centuries of the Nativity of Christ and the repression against Christians carried out by atheistic authorities in the 20th century. The World Summit of Christian Leaders in Defense of Persecuted Christians was to become a platform for a comprehensive discussion of this situation with the aim of changing it for the better.


The joint declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill also states: “Our gaze must firstly turn to those regions of the world where Christians are victims of persecution. In many countries of the Middle East and North Africa whole families, villages and cities of our brothers and sisters in Christ are being completely exterminated. Their churches are being barbarously ravaged and looted, their sacred objects profaned, their monuments destroyed. It is with pain that we call to mind the situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries of the Middle East, and the massive exodus of Christians from the land in which our faith was first disseminated and in which they have lived since the time of the Apostles, together with other religious communities.”


Thus, we see high-ranking representatives of all major Christian denominations united in their aspiration to end the humanitarian disaster and bring peace to the region that is the cradle of Christianity.


"I believe that his (the patriarch Kirill's) support to the Syrian government will help to protect the lives of Christians. I said the same thing at a meeting with Vladimir Putin," – said Billy Graham in his speech after the meeting with the Primate of Russian Orthodox Church on on October 30, 2015.


Indeed, the Moscow Patriarchate continually appeals to the international community to defend the suffering Christians of the Middle East. As far back as 2011 the Russian Orthodox Church held an international conference in Moscow entitled ‘Freedom of Religion: The Problem of Discrimination and Persecution of Christians.’ Gathered at this forum were religious figures and experts from all over the world. They discussed instances of the persecution of Christians and expressed concern at the situation which had arisen.


Russian Orthodox Church regularly raises the issue of the persecution of Christ’s followers at international events. The Moscow Patriarchate insists that these topics be included in the final documents of conferences and forums. They discuss the plight of believers in the Middle East with political leaders and representatives of the diplomatic community of various countries of the world. "In recent years, also thanks to the joint efforts of the Christian Churches and countries, we have managed to achieve the recognition at the international level of the persecution of Christians in the Middle East" – the Chairman of the Moscow patriarchate Department for External Church Relations Metropolitan Hilarion pointed out in his presentation at the 5th European Catholic-Orthodox Forum in January this year.


For example, on March 7, 2017, at the Patriarchal residence in St Daniel’s Monastery, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia met with Dr. Mohammed Abdul Sattar al-Sayeed, Minister of Awqaf of the Syrian Arab Republic.


Dr. al-Sayeed conveyed to the Primate of the Russian Church greetings from Patriarch John X of Antioch and emphasized that Muslims in Syria had very close relationships with the faithful of the Orthodox Church of Antioch. He also told about the activities of his ministry whose task is to promote cooperation between the state and the religious communities in Syria and, among other things, to address the needs of Christians. "I want to say that Syria is inseparable from Christianity, it is the cradle of the Christian religion," – said the Syrian Minister while expressing his conviction that the terrorists' attempts to expel Christians from Syria are aimed at destroying it as a state, since "it were Christians and Muslims who have built a civilization there together, hand in hand".


In his turn, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia has thanked Russia's Foreign Ministry and other authorities for protecting Syrians from extermination. "The Russian counter-terrorism operation [in Syria] has given Christians a hope. The leaders of the Middle Eastern Churches have more than once attested in public and asked Russia to stand up for Christians in Syria and Iraq," – he said at the Foreign Ministry's Reception House on April 16 this year. The Russian Orthodox Church continues to support the Church of Antioch, whose center has been historically located in Damascus, the patriarch said. "Including materially, we assist in organizing humanitarian convoys," he said.


His Holiness also noted that global community is still paying no attention to the persecutions of Christians in a number of countries, particularly in Africa. Clashes between Church of Alexandria followers and the Muslim population have continued for many years, Patriarch Kirill said with grief in his heart. "In Nigeria, whole settlements of Christians are being slaughtered and hundreds of churches burned down. But the world is silent as if nothing is happening," – the Russian Church leader stressed in his speech. The authorities in Sudan, Myanmar and Pakistan are also condoning the persecution of Christians in their countries, he said.


And this means that there is a good scope of work in which inter-Christian cooperation is to be shown further.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Indeed ISIL and the other Wahhabi terrorists are targeting everybody.. And Especially the minorities..

They targeted the Shiites more than any other groups..
And also they concentrate on the minorities, whom they see as easy targets..

The international community need to unite in combating this savage challenge..

The Sunnis in particular need to do more, as these Wahhabi groups are claiming to be Sunnis and are trying to hijack Sunni Islam..

Unfortunately many Sunnis have been influenced by their sickening propaganda..

On the other hand, political analysts know well that some regimes have looked toward ISIL as a tool for political gains..and they have supported ISIL..
These regimes will certainly regret their actions as they see the results of their policies..and the World must face such policies..
 

Evie

Active Member
Today we observe a terrifying picture: the two-thousand year Christian presence in the Middle East and Africa is rapidly disappearing. According to figures by the Centre for the Study of World Christianity, in 2016 alone there were killed 90 thousand Christians, that is, every six minutes a Christian dies for his faith. Between half a million and six hundred thousand Christians are enduring harassment and restrictions in confessing their faith. This means that the world community has been unable to learn the lessons of the destructive wars of the twentieth century and, as before, places political interests above fundamental human rights.


In this regard the Billy Graham Evangelical Association organized the World Summit of Christian Leaders in Defense of Persecuted Christians. About a thousand delegates from more than 150 countries attended the summit on May 10-13 in Washington. The reason for such a large event was persecution of Christians of the Middle East, Africa and other regions of the world. In scale, these unprecedented in modern history persecutions can be compared only with the persecution of Christians in the first centuries of the Nativity of Christ and the repression against Christians carried out by atheistic authorities in the 20th century. The World Summit of Christian Leaders in Defense of Persecuted Christians was to become a platform for a comprehensive discussion of this situation with the aim of changing it for the better.


The joint declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill also states: “Our gaze must firstly turn to those regions of the world where Christians are victims of persecution. In many countries of the Middle East and North Africa whole families, villages and cities of our brothers and sisters in Christ are being completely exterminated. Their churches are being barbarously ravaged and looted, their sacred objects profaned, their monuments destroyed. It is with pain that we call to mind the situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries of the Middle East, and the massive exodus of Christians from the land in which our faith was first disseminated and in which they have lived since the time of the Apostles, together with other religious communities.”


Thus, we see high-ranking representatives of all major Christian denominations united in their aspiration to end the humanitarian disaster and bring peace to the region that is the cradle of Christianity.


"I believe that his (the patriarch Kirill's) support to the Syrian government will help to protect the lives of Christians. I said the same thing at a meeting with Vladimir Putin," – said Billy Graham in his speech after the meeting with the Primate of Russian Orthodox Church on on October 30, 2015.


Indeed, the Moscow Patriarchate continually appeals to the international community to defend the suffering Christians of the Middle East. As far back as 2011 the Russian Orthodox Church held an international conference in Moscow entitled ‘Freedom of Religion: The Problem of Discrimination and Persecution of Christians.’ Gathered at this forum were religious figures and experts from all over the world. They discussed instances of the persecution of Christians and expressed concern at the situation which had arisen.


Russian Orthodox Church regularly raises the issue of the persecution of Christ’s followers at international events. The Moscow Patriarchate insists that these topics be included in the final documents of conferences and forums. They discuss the plight of believers in the Middle East with political leaders and representatives of the diplomatic community of various countries of the world. "In recent years, also thanks to the joint efforts of the Christian Churches and countries, we have managed to achieve the recognition at the international level of the persecution of Christians in the Middle East" – the Chairman of the Moscow patriarchate Department for External Church Relations Metropolitan Hilarion pointed out in his presentation at the 5th European Catholic-Orthodox Forum in January this year.


For example, on March 7, 2017, at the Patriarchal residence in St Daniel’s Monastery, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia met with Dr. Mohammed Abdul Sattar al-Sayeed, Minister of Awqaf of the Syrian Arab Republic.


Dr. al-Sayeed conveyed to the Primate of the Russian Church greetings from Patriarch John X of Antioch and emphasized that Muslims in Syria had very close relationships with the faithful of the Orthodox Church of Antioch. He also told about the activities of his ministry whose task is to promote cooperation between the state and the religious communities in Syria and, among other things, to address the needs of Christians. "I want to say that Syria is inseparable from Christianity, it is the cradle of the Christian religion," – said the Syrian Minister while expressing his conviction that the terrorists' attempts to expel Christians from Syria are aimed at destroying it as a state, since "it were Christians and Muslims who have built a civilization there together, hand in hand".


In his turn, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia has thanked Russia's Foreign Ministry and other authorities for protecting Syrians from extermination. "The Russian counter-terrorism operation [in Syria] has given Christians a hope. The leaders of the Middle Eastern Churches have more than once attested in public and asked Russia to stand up for Christians in Syria and Iraq," – he said at the Foreign Ministry's Reception House on April 16 this year. The Russian Orthodox Church continues to support the Church of Antioch, whose center has been historically located in Damascus, the patriarch said. "Including materially, we assist in organizing humanitarian convoys," he said.


His Holiness also noted that global community is still paying no attention to the persecutions of Christians in a number of countries, particularly in Africa. Clashes between Church of Alexandria followers and the Muslim population have continued for many years, Patriarch Kirill said with grief in his heart. "In Nigeria, whole settlements of Christians are being slaughtered and hundreds of churches burned down. But the world is silent as if nothing is happening," – the Russian Church leader stressed in his speech. The authorities in Sudan, Myanmar and Pakistan are also condoning the persecution of Christians in their countries, he said.


And this means that there is a good scope of work in which inter-Christian cooperation is to be shown further.
Yes
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Christian countries have killed more Muslims than Muslims killed Christians, so your point needs to be in context.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
So just to be clear, now they're all true Christians? Before this your Church would have considered a good number of these people (including Patriarch Kirill & his flock) to be heretics.
Very few Catholics would consider Eastern Orthodoxy as heretical, although many Eastern Orthodox do consider Catholicism to be. Oriental Orthodoxy on the other hand is a little murkier as they're often accused of Monophysitism.

In any case, that neither the Copts or the Eastern Orthodox are in communion with Rome does not render them as non-Christians. There's nothing incoherent for a Catholic in finding the continued persecution and murder of Coptic Christians to be abominable.

Christian countries have killed more Muslims than Muslims killed Christians, so your point needs to be in context.
***edited*** The Copts have done nothing to deserve their treatment. Your continued refusal to call out this murderous fanaticism should speak volumes to everyone on this board. The context is obvious, a fanatical subsect within Salafist Islam has emboldened the lunatics of the Islamic world with the doctrine that they can murder their way to Heaven.
 
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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Musin, westerners are murderous fanatics when it comes to Muslims too, how can you not see that. Christian soldiers seem quite likely to believe they can bomb and murder their way to heaven too.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not much, since it seems to be part of the Globalists plan for the world. They could say give us money to combat this problem of Christian genocide in the middle east. Then take your money and buy some shinier guns and blacker masks for Isis. That's the way the world seems to be.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
In this regard the Billy Graham Evangelical Association organized the World Summit of Christian Leaders in Defense of Persecuted Christians.
Billy Graham is a hypocrite from Hell. I remember when the Evangelical attitude was more "Shoot 'em all, let God sort 'em out." Billy Graham was decidedly one of them.

As a hard core pro-lifer, I staunchly oppose war in general. Especially the preemptive wars, such as the Invasion of Iraq. I did notice what various world leaders, including the religious leaders, said on the subject. Billy Graham in particular, due to his close ties to the White House. I am pretty sure that when Bush said he had prayed on it, meaning the Invasion, he was praying with Billy Graham. At that point, it appeared that the death and destruction would be limited to Muslims. Billy Graham was fine with that, making regular pronouncements about the godliness of fighting for Christian civilization and such.

Now that the disaster he helped create has spread to his religious compadres he is horrified to find that war involves innocent people.

Sorry, I am unimpressed by the Moral Majority and their Crusade. Billy Graham helped launch the disaster that is consuming the Middle East and the fact that there are Christian victims doesn't matter much to me. Before the Evangelical community gets all self righteous about this I want to at least hear a mea culpa for supporting it in the first place and a convincing change to the violence of Christian culture.

I am not holding my breath.
Tom
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Christian countries have killed more Muslims than Muslims killed Christians, so your point needs to be in context.
First, you can't source that, but please try. Second, in what way does historic battles between Muslim and Christian nations contextualize genocide?

and the fact that there are Christian victims doesn't matter much to me.
edit: Removed an excessively angry portion of the response.

The questionable/morally corrupt acts of someones in America who are entirely unrelated to those having genocide perpetrated against them doesn't relieve your moral culpability is dismissing the atrocity.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Don't kid yourself.
There are plenty of posters right here on RF who have quite restricted opinions concerning who is Christian and who is not.
Tom
That was specifically directed towards the Catholic Church, not random posters on this forum.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The questionable/morally corrupt acts of someones in America who are entirely unrelated to those having genocide perpetrated against them doesn't relieve your moral culpability is dismissing the atrocity.
This is BS. The questionable morals of people, notably Christian people, in the USA are very much related to the atrocities in the Middle East.
Evangelicals in general, and Billy Graham in particular, supported the war which is now causing the humanitarian disaster in the Middle East. That there are Christians there as well as Muslims and others isn't news.
If USA Christians had been as staunchly opposed to the war in the first place the horrors befalling everyone (including Christians) might never have happened.
But they weren't. They were generally fine with atrocities as long as the victims weren't Christian.
Tom
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
This is BS. The questionable morals of people, notably Christian people, in the USA are very much related to the atrocities in the Middle East.
The questionable people in America are not related to the victims of the genocide. The victims of this genocide had no influence in American acts. To say "oh well, American Christians did something wrong, you middle east Christians are ****ed too bad, I don't care that you're in the midst of genocide" is morally destitute.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Very few Catholics would consider Eastern Orthodoxy as heretical, although many Eastern Orthodox do consider Catholicism to be. Oriental Orthodoxy on the other hand is a little murkier as they're often accused of Monophysitism.

In any case, that neither the Copts or the Eastern Orthodox are in communion with Rome does not render them as non-Christians. There's nothing incoherent for a Catholic in finding the continued persecution and murder of Coptic Christians to be abominable.

Actually I'm referring to the fact that AFAIK the Catholic Church (as in the hierarchy) still holds the position that the Orthodox Church is in schism from the rest of Catholicism and that Orthodoxy holds the Catholic doctrines like the Immaculate Conception and papal supremacy as heresy. So I worded that badly - implying that I thought the RCC held Orthodoxy as heretical which is not the case. Even so, there are sentiments of heresy still present. Most Catholics may not view Orthodox Christians as not-true-Christians, but unfortunately most Catholics aren't the ones who make the doctrines.

I'll defer to your superior knowledge of Oriental Orthodoxy and Monophysitism as I know nothing of these.


I'm sorry, did you just wake up from the 1200's?

I woke up today, in a world where the East-West Schism still hasn't been resolved and Christian denominations still exist.
 
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