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The god of this world

usfan

Well-Known Member
The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.

There are 2 extremes, in considering the scope and power of the devil:

1. Fear him, and overestimate his power
2. Underestimate him, or depreciate his influence

Most people err in one of these 2 extremes. The most popular view of the enemy of humanity now, is to caricaturize the devil, and make him into a mythical joke. This is his work, too, to blind people to Reality.

It is not my goal here to empirically prove, or disprove the existence of the devil, but to address his outworkings, of deception and destruction, in the human experience. The evidence of a Great Deceptive Force, in the history of man, is obvious.

I will also relay some biblical facts, about the nature of this influence, in the world of man. As this is a deep and involved subject, and too long for a forum thread, my points will be general, and not expanded upon. I and others can happily expand and clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings about this constant menace to Truth and the individual soul.

1. He is a fallen Angelic being, rebelling against God, and took 1/3 of the angels with him
2. He was defeated at the Cross, when Jesus's blood paid the penalty for humanity's sin
3. He is a liar, and the father of lies
4. He comes to kill and destroy
5. He knows his time is short, and works tirelessly to destroy the relationship between God and man.
6. He has blinded the eyes of unbelievers, so they cannot see the redemptive work of Jesus.
7. Some humans are devoted followers of Satan.. and some completely unaware that they are.
8. He is the accuser, who tries to derail the redemptive process with false accusations and guilt trips.

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2co4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel..

Rev12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray..
10 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death...
12 But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short
.”
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.

There are 2 extremes, in considering the scope and power of the devil:

1. Fear him, and overestimate his power
2. Underestimate him, or depreciate his influence
Are you describing Trump and Johnson?
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
If we're sharing information about the Devil, there's quite a good documentary that people may be interested in. It gives a very general overview of how the concept of the Devil has evolved over time. Obviously this topic is far too broad for a 50 minute video to go into great detail but it does give a decent cliffsnotes version of events.

 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Humans are the 'gods' of this world, there is no evidence there is any external entities.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
Humans are the 'gods' of this world, there is no evidence there is any external entities.
Or, some are deceived, and cannot see the workings of a deceiver..

Is one aware of their own deception?
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.

There are 2 extremes, in considering the scope and power of the devil:

1. Fear him, and overestimate his power
2. Underestimate him, or depreciate his influence

Most people err in one of these 2 extremes. The most popular view of the enemy of humanity now, is to caricaturize the devil, and make him into a mythical joke. This is his work, too, to blind people to Reality.

It is not my goal here to empirically prove, or disprove the existence of the devil, but to address his outworkings, of deception and destruction, in the human experience. The evidence of a Great Deceptive Force, in the history of man, is obvious.

I will also relay some biblical facts, about the nature of this influence, in the world of man. As this is a deep and involved subject, and too long for a forum thread, my points will be general, and not expanded upon. I and others can happily expand and clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings about this constant menace to Truth and the individual soul.

1. He is a fallen Angelic being, rebelling against God, and took 1/3 of the angels with him
2. He was defeated at the Cross, when Jesus's blood paid the penalty for humanity's sin
3. He is a liar, and the father of lies
4. He comes to kill and destroy
5. He knows his time is short, and works tirelessly to destroy the relationship between God and man.
6. He has blinded the eyes of unbelievers, so they cannot see the redemptive work of Jesus.
7. Some humans are devoted followers of Satan.. and some completely unaware that they are.
8. He is the accuser, who tries to derail the redemptive process with false accusations and guilt trips.

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2co4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel..

Rev12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray..
10 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death...
12 But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short
.”

I told you. Christianity is also probably one of his lies, if he existed. How would you know, if he is so good?

To quote you: are you aware of your deception?

Ciao

- viole
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
I told you. Christianity is also probably one of his lies, if he existed. How would you know, if he is so good?

To quote you: are you aware of your deception?

Ciao

- viole
You can be correct.
I myself was deceived by so called "Christian Charismatic churches"
But then I had the small bit of intelligence to go and find out who is lying through their teeth.
How did I do it?
I went and read the Bible, the Quran, the hadith, the Book of Mormon, the Insight and watchtower, and compared it with each other.
Now I have the authority to distinguish between the liar and the Truthfull.
For instance, I also read what Atheists say.
And quite frankly, they say nothing.
if one prove that science took the start of the Universe and Nebular theory form the Bible, they all of a sudden have a problem with what theory science realy adheres too.
Any evidence that proves a Creator, somehow turns into a fairytale.
but they can believe everything came from nothing, even guys like Stephen Hawking thinks he can change the meaning of "Nothing" into gravity and Quantum Physics.
Therefore, as someone who took the time to find out what all the religions claim about their "Truth", I have the right to say:
Jesus is God, God is a Trinity, Allah is an Idol, Joseph Smith and Muhammad was liars, the JW's are wrong...
why?
been there done that!
 

Shadow Link

Active Member
The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.
Within the insular will upon the subject of "self-deception and evil" there is a famous quote issued from Milton's Satan:

"The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n."
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.

There are 2 extremes, in considering the scope and power of the devil:

1. Fear him, and overestimate his power
2. Underestimate him, or depreciate his influence

Most people err in one of these 2 extremes. The most popular view of the enemy of humanity now, is to caricaturize the devil, and make him into a mythical joke. This is his work, too, to blind people to Reality.

It is not my goal here to empirically prove, or disprove the existence of the devil, but to address his outworkings, of deception and destruction, in the human experience. The evidence of a Great Deceptive Force, in the history of man, is obvious.

I will also relay some biblical facts, about the nature of this influence, in the world of man. As this is a deep and involved subject, and too long for a forum thread, my points will be general, and not expanded upon. I and others can happily expand and clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings about this constant menace to Truth and the individual soul.

1. He is a fallen Angelic being, rebelling against God, and took 1/3 of the angels with him
2. He was defeated at the Cross, when Jesus's blood paid the penalty for humanity's sin
3. He is a liar, and the father of lies
4. He comes to kill and destroy
5. He knows his time is short, and works tirelessly to destroy the relationship between God and man.
6. He has blinded the eyes of unbelievers, so they cannot see the redemptive work of Jesus.
7. Some humans are devoted followers of Satan.. and some completely unaware that they are.
8. He is the accuser, who tries to derail the redemptive process with false accusations and guilt trips.

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2co4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel..

Rev12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray..
10 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death...
12 But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short
.”
You know for the entirety of the Bible. Satan still comes out as being pretty much the good guy all things considered.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I told you. Christianity is also probably one of his lies, if he existed. How would you know, if he is so good?

To quote you: are you aware of your deception?

Ciao

- viole
I sometimes think maybe it's a cosmic test to see who's gullible and will dutifully believe anything at face value that crosses their path without using the power of scrutiny and reason.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
I sometimes think maybe it's a cosmic test to see who's gullible and will dutifully believe anything at face value that crosses their path without using the power of scrutiny and reason.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." ~Thomas Jefferson

..nothing wrong with skepticism, or reserving judgement for more information. Dogmatic assertions of absolute knowledge, and intolerance for other's views are something else..
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
The influence of the Liar and Destroyer of humanity should not be overlooked or underestimated, in the unfolding history of man.

He is, very likely, THE most powerful factor, in promoting deception and lies, in the world of man. He is the father of lies, and has come to kill and destroy, even though he is a defeated foe.

There are 2 extremes, in considering the scope and power of the devil:

1. Fear him, and overestimate his power
2. Underestimate him, or depreciate his influence

Most people err in one of these 2 extremes. The most popular view of the enemy of humanity now, is to caricaturize the devil, and make him into a mythical joke. This is his work, too, to blind people to Reality.

It is not my goal here to empirically prove, or disprove the existence of the devil, but to address his outworkings, of deception and destruction, in the human experience. The evidence of a Great Deceptive Force, in the history of man, is obvious.

I will also relay some biblical facts, about the nature of this influence, in the world of man. As this is a deep and involved subject, and too long for a forum thread, my points will be general, and not expanded upon. I and others can happily expand and clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings about this constant menace to Truth and the individual soul.

1. He is a fallen Angelic being, rebelling against God, and took 1/3 of the angels with him
2. He was defeated at the Cross, when Jesus's blood paid the penalty for humanity's sin
3. He is a liar, and the father of lies
4. He comes to kill and destroy
5. He knows his time is short, and works tirelessly to destroy the relationship between God and man.
6. He has blinded the eyes of unbelievers, so they cannot see the redemptive work of Jesus.
7. Some humans are devoted followers of Satan.. and some completely unaware that they are.
8. He is the accuser, who tries to derail the redemptive process with false accusations and guilt trips.

Jn8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2co4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel..

Rev12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray..
10 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death...
12 But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short
.”
This boogeyman crap is too silly for me. The entire idea that the Creator of the universe is having some feud with a creation of its own is too dumb for me. It's a rip-off of Zoroastrian dualism, anyway. Dualism itself is a false perception of the world.
 
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