The GOP and trickle-down economics... still !?

[Shadow Wolf]

So you say Show just one time, as to where Trump made any statement saying he's a Republican.

He has a Republican vice-president, and he has "Republican" attached to his name. I can try and pretend I'm not an agent of the state all I want, but because I'm a case manager with child protection services, while I'm doing my work I am indeed an agent of the state.

Obama came out saying, how he is Muslim

(He's a Christian, not a Muslim, and even if he is Muslim so what?)

You don't claim being a Christian such as democrates, and support the things, that God stands against.

Actually, I do stand against many things the Christian god is strongly against, and support many things he hates. I stand opposed to Jehovah. Democrats, no so much.

Obama himself lied more than once, but you would never hear of it, because the mainstream fake news media,

Even the so-called "Liberal" Snopes called him, Politico called him out, and plenty of other sources that many Conservatives love to bash as being Liberal called Obama out on misstatements and lies.

If democrates are to be so good as you suppose, democrates had 8 years under Obama, and still did nothing.

Obama set the economy on a path of recovery, did away with denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, advanced civil rights of various minorities, and he reduced the number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan (albeit he did replace them with drones). He could have gotten more done, but the Republicans decided they would be a Congress of "no" and refuse to work together and compromise, which has always been the backbone of American politics. When there is no compromise, things go from bad to worse.

Hillary wanted to close down the coal miners and put them out of work, So how is that to be for middle class workers.

Coal miners can either have a transition to new jobs revolving around sustainable energy, or be SOL once we are out of coal and/or the price of coal drops so low that coal miner wages plummet.

Every since back in the early 90's heard nothing from democrate about climate control

The first writing of Global Warming that I am aware of is dated 1897.
Svante Arrhenius : Feature Articles

A hundred years ago, Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius asked the important question “Is the mean temperature of the ground in any way influenced by the presence of the heat-absorbing gases in the atmosphere?” He went on to become the first person to investigate the effect that doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide would have on global climate.

Under Obama for 8 this country was at it's worse. Obama did nothing to help the working class Union's. But only to destroy them more.

Is that why he bailed out companies like GM and Chrysler? Is that why we of the working class saw our taxes go down in a way that was helpful for us to make ends meet?

All Obama and the DNC did is give hand outs, to buy people's votes.

That's what they keep saying, but things like the "Obama phone" were around before Obama.

Obama hated the Constitution, because it stood in his dictatorship way.

So is that why he acknowledged non-believers as citizens and increased civil rights and liberties rather than stripping them?

For this reason is why the 2nd Amendment was put in place to keep the Government from trying to inforce people under a Dictatorship Government.

HA! If these militias want to go off and commit suicide I won't stop them. They Founders didn't create the the 2nd to stop the government, and to the contrary it was made illegal to oppose the government in such a way. The Revolutionary war itself demonstrates how much of a pipe dream that is, because the Colonists would have lost had it not been for the assistance of the French military. Ultimately, the 2nd was penned to allow communities to raise and train militias to protect themselves from invading forces, not to become traitors and open fire against the United States government.

This is democrates way of thinking.

Never heard of a "democrate."

 

[Faithofchristian]

He has a Republican vice-president, and he has "Republican" attached to his name. I can try and pretend I'm not an agent of the state all I want, but because I'm a case manager with child protection services, while I'm doing my work I am indeed an agent of the state.

So Trump has Pence who is a Republican, does not mean Trump's a Republican. Unto which Trump is not a Republican.He never committed himself as a Republican.

(He's a Christian, not a Muslim, and even if he is Muslim so what?)

So what, Obama lied saying first he was a Muslim back in 2007 first running for president, then when Obama saw he was dropping in the polls, then he lied saying he's a Christian, That's so what. But in your eyes when a Democrate is caught in a lie, you over look it, As nothing, but when a Republican is caught, the whole world falls apart. Just typical two face hypocrites democrates.

Actually, I do stand against many things the Christian god is strongly against, and support many things he hates. I stand opposed to Jehovah. Democrats, no so much.
That's exactly where Democrates stand, everything that God is against, democrates are for it.

Even the so-called "Liberal" Snopes called him, Politico called him out, and plenty of other sources that many Conservatives love to bash as being Liberal called Obama out on misstatements and lies.

Obama set the economy on a path of recovery, did away with denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, advanced civil rights of various minorities, and he reduced the number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan (albeit he did replace them with drones). He could have gotten more done, but the Republicans decided they would be a Congress of "no" and refuse to work together and compromise, which has always been the backbone of American politics. When there is no compromise, things go from bad to worse.

So what your saying, is that it took Obama 8 years to set the economy on the path of recovery and it only took Trump in the first month of him being President to set the country on the path of recovery.

Coal miners can either have a transition to new jobs revolving around sustainable energy, or be SOL once we are out of coal and/or the price of coal drops so low that coal miner wages plummet.
So what your saying one thing and then saying another thing.
If I'm not wrong isn't democrates suppose to be for the middle class working people. But yet the democrates wanted to put middle class workers out of their jobs, which is how they make their living.Whats that all about.

The first writing of Global Warming that I am aware of is dated 1897.
Svante Arrhenius : Feature Articles

Yeah and then Al Gore took it a step further to put money in his pocket.Why else is Al Gore so big on climate control. Bc it puts money in his pocket.


Is that why he bailed out companies like GM and Chrysler? Is that why we of the working class saw our taxes go down in a way that was helpful for us to make ends meet?
If to what you say is right, Then why is Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters, Jennifer Warren, wanting to raise the taxes on the middle class workers. Go Figure

That's what they keep saying, but things like the "Obama phone" were around before Obama.
As for the Obama phone, all that was to buy People's votes.and people went right after it.

So is that why he acknowledged non-believers as citizens and increased civil rights and liberties rather than stripping them?
Obama doesn't a clue about the civil Rights movement. Where as Obama put a division between the Races, Dr Martin Luther King Jr wanted to bring all Races together.

Of course much of what Obama will say, The Fake News Media will delete it out. So that people do not get the full story.

HA! If these militias want to go off and commit suicide I won't stop them. They Founders didn't create the the 2nd to stop the government, and to the contrary it was made illegal to oppose the government in such a way. The Revolutionary war itself demonstrates how much of a pipe dream that is, because the Colonists would have lost had it not been for the assistance of the French military. Ultimately, the 2nd was penned to allow communities to raise and train militias to protect themselves from invading forces, not to become traitors and open fire against the United States government.

The 2nd Amendment was put in place, if the Government ever tried to over take the people, to become a Dictatorship Government, people have the means in defending themselves, but not to limit the right to bare arms to help our Military.to defend ourselves against another country.in case of an invasion into our country. But Obama and the DNC tried hard to take away the 2nd Amendment of our right to bare arms. When either Party starts talking about any part of the Constitution, You better to watch them. If we let either party tamper with any part of the Constitution, to take away any of our rights, we're in trouble. It's your right and my right to Freedom of Speech. Without freedom to speak out. Then the Government can and will have Control over People and the news media.to tell people when and what your going to do.

Never heard of a "democrate."

You never heard of Demon--crates.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Unto which Trump is not a Republican.He never committed himself as a Republican.

He ran as a Republican. That means he is a Republican. He is considered and counted among the Republicans, and the White House is said to be under Republican control.

o what, Obama lied saying first he was a Muslim back in 2007 first running for president

He didn't say he was a practicing Muslim them. He's been very clear that he is a Christian. Only the willfully ignorant can deny this.

So what your saying, is that it took Obama 8 years to set the economy on the path of recovery and it only took Trump in the first month of him being President to set the country on the path of recovery.

That's like saying Obama caused the Recession in his first month of office. The economy was already recovering when Trump stepped in, meaning he inherited a recovery, much like how Obama inherited a Recession.

Yeah and then Al Gore took it a step further to put money in his pocket.Why else is Al Gore so big on climate control. Bc it puts money in his pocket.

Al Gore isn't a "godfather" of Global Warming. There were people before him, and people after him. Only some among the Right have continued to try to make this seem like an "Al Gore issue." It's not. Not unless you want to say China, North Korea, NASA, and a legion of national and international science institutes are being lead by Al Gore.

If to what you say is right, Then why is Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters, Jennifer Warren, wanting to raise the taxes on the middle class workers. Go Figure

You asked specifically about Obama, and he did have the support of his fellow Democrats when he lowered the taxes for the working class. Republicans, however, their tax proposal would raise the taxes for the working class.

As for the Obama phone, all that was to buy People's votes.and people went right after it.

Wrong. Those existed before Obama. They weren't to "buy votes," but rather to help people getting a phone. Saying they are a means to buy votes, you might as well say roads, police, and water sanitation and garbage pick up are all efforts to "buy votes."

Of course much of what Obama will say, The Fake News Media will delete it out. So that people do not get the full story.

So even though I point out some that did call him out, they still "deleted" it?

You never heard of Demon--crates.

Nope. Sounds like something "concerned parents" would have called a deck of Magic: The Gathering cards back during the "Satanic Panic" of the 90s.

 

[suncowiam]

Just how do you figure that Trump as giving Himself a massive tax break, When in fact Trump is going to be hurt by those tax breaks for the middle class workers.

You got to be kidding, That Trump would give up his billionaire business just to stoke his own ego. Are you freaking kidding me.
So if you owned a billionaire business, who would give it up, just to stoke your ego.
Are you freaking kidding me.

It would help if Trump releases his taxes like he said he would...

 

[Faithofchristian]

It would help if Trump releases his taxes like he said he would...

Yeah, sure, There's no law, saying Trump has to release his taxes.
So what's the big deal, that all you Liberal democrates are making a big deal out of it.
If I was in Trump's shoes, I wouldn't turn over my taxes either, just to have you Liberal democrates go saying things that wouldn't be true.
Heck the Mainstream fake News Media, can't tell the truth on things any how. But you Liberal democrates eat it up all any how, the Mainstream fake News Media propaganda any how.

The Mainstream fake News Media, has been caught on alot of things, of putting out things that are not true. But it seems Liberal democrates can't tell the difference between honest News and the Fake News of the Mainstream fake News Media.

And don't ask, like what, which will only show yourself of not knowing the difference between Good News and Fake News.

 

[Altfish]

Governor Brownback's experiment of trickle down in Kansas worked well.....NOT!!

The Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Crashes And Burns

Why does this myth still persist?

 

[suncowiam]

Yeah, sure, There's no law, saying Trump has to release his taxes.
So what's the big deal, that all you Liberal democrates are making a big deal out of it.
If I was in Trump's shoes, I wouldn't turn over my taxes either, just to have you Liberal democrates go saying things that wouldn't be true.
Heck the Mainstream fake News Media, can't tell the truth on things any how. But you Liberal democrates eat it up all any how, the Mainstream fake News Media propaganda any how.

The Mainstream fake News Media, has been caught on alot of things, of putting out things that are not true. But it seems Liberal democrates can't tell the difference between honest News and the Fake News of the Mainstream fake News Media.

And don't ask, like what, which will only show yourself of not knowing the difference between Good News and Fake News.

There's no real discussion with you here is there? You're deep in your conservative ways which is fine. That's your prerogative and choice.

Not sure why you're even here if you're just going to regurgitate all the mainstream Trumpisms.

I guess you're fine that he offered to release his taxes and basically lied about it. Why did I mentioned taxes? Because you were speculating with another person if the new tax reforms would help him or not? Hard to say, unless we had his taxes, right?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Governor Brownback's experiment of trickle down in Kansas worked well.....NOT!!

The Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Crashes And Burns

Why does this myth still persist?

Even though it's backed by all those annoying statistics and pesky facts, because it paints trickle-down economics and Trump's own plan in an unflattering fashion it is clearly and obviously fake news.

 

[esmith]

If the current Tax bill helps the country the Democrats will be in for a hard road in 2018 and 2020.
If the current Tax bill hurts the country the Republicans will be in for a hard road in 2018 and 2020.

Guess only time will tell.
However, I will be paying less taxes that I was, which puts more money in my pocket......which will allow me to go looking for another firearm.

 

[Sunstone]

Why the newly passed federal tax cut will mean higher state taxes for some in Colorado

The counter-intuitive result could generate between $196 million and $340 million next fiscal year.

Of course, this is on top of the fact that whatever real tax cuts to the middle class it does indeed give are to be phased out in a few years.

 

[esmith]

Why the newly passed federal tax cut will mean higher state taxes for some in Colorado

The counter-intuitive result could generate between $196 million and $340 million next fiscal year.

Of course, this is on top of the fact that whatever real tax cuts to the middle class it does indeed give are to be phased out in a few years.

Only if Congress doesn't extend them. How about waiting and see vice taking the Dem's talking points and running with them

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Well this new tax proposal seems to be yet another minor variation on the old "trickle down economics" mythology. Argh!

Every analysis I've seen of the GOP's new plan is that ultimately the middle class's taxes will go up so that the 1%'s taxes will go down, and the justification is the old "trickle down" nonsense.

Nick Hanauer, the speaker in the video below is quite eloquent, and I recommend watching this short, 5 minute video. But the summary is, the rich aren't really "job creators". What really drives an economy is a prosperous middle class.

The thing is that the left proposes trickle down also, whatever label you prefer for it, only trickling down from politicians rather than private citizens, through government programs rather than free enterprise.


So it comes down to who you think is more qualified, efficient and trustworthy at managing this- politicians or the people.. that's rather a rhetorical question for most conservatives or libertarians! but beyond that the proof is in the pudding:

If you travel the world enough and see how real people really live under different systems... the academic arguments are just that- academic.

 

[Lyndon]

actually the left proposes trickle up economics, programmes for the poor who's money trickles up to the rich, the exact opposite of the Trickle down economics.

 

[metis]

actually the left proposes trickle up economics, programmes for the poor who's money trickles up to the rich, the exact opposite of the Trickle down economics.

Unlike trickle-down economics, this actually has a proven track record. By working on infrastructure, for example, money gets into the hands of local employees who spend their money mostly locally, which is where economists want the money to start off from. If the money goes mostly to the wealthy, they may not spend their money here at all but put it elsewhere.

 

[icehorse]

The thing is that the left proposes trickle down also, whatever label you prefer for it, only trickling down from politicians rather than private citizens, through government programs rather than free enterprise.

So it comes down to who you think is more qualified, efficient and trustworthy at managing this- politicians or the people.. that's rather a rhetorical question for most conservatives or libertarians! but beyond that the proof is in the pudding:

If you travel the world enough and see how real people really live under different systems... the academic arguments are just that- academic.

How is your post about tax breaks?