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The GOP campaign

Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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I appear to be one of the relatively few news junkies who did not watch last night's debate and today's CNN recap is predictably underwhelming. I am, however, intrigued by the two polls addressed here, particularly the showing by Ben Carson and Marco Rubio.

What I did get from watching CNN clips was the sense that Carla Fiorina seemed particularly articulate. It won't happen, but I think a Fiorina-Rubio campaign would be intriguing.
 
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columbus

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It is too early to get invested in the presidential campaign race. I want to know more about who our corporate overlords will allow me to vote for first.
It does seem to me that the only electable Dem is Hillary Clinton. The only electable Reps are Scott Walker and Jeb Bush.
The premise of a Clinton-Walker-Bush debate makes me wanna puke in the biggest way.
Tom
 
Mycroft

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
As electoral choices go, it’s not far off choosing to be ruled by a dry, whispering voice taunting you from an antique mirror.
 
gsa

gsa

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columbus said:
It is too early to get invested in the presidential campaign race. I want to know more about who our corporate overlords will allow me to vote for first.
It does seem to me that the only electable Dem is Hillary Clinton. The only electable Reps are Scott Walker and Jeb Bush.
The premise of a Clinton-Walker-Bush debate makes me wanna puke in the biggest way.
Tom
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I do not think that Scott Walker or Jeb Bush are particularly electable, at least not compared to someone like John Kasich. The latter is by far the most dangerous candidate from my perspective (being a lefty), because he could easily win against Clinton or another Democrat. Walker is, I'm sorry, dumb and a panderer. He touts his record in Wisconsin, and his ability to win elections there, but the three elections he faced were in fairly low turnout elections, nothing compared to a presidential contest. I doubt he could actually win his home state in a presidential year. That's not outcome determinative I suppose, but he strikes me as really, really stupid. He suggested that being able to take on pro-union protesters shows he has the confidence to take on ISIS (I mean, what?). He also appears to believe that he is running for theologian in chief alongside the Huckster, with his "blood of Jesus redeemed me" finale. Jeb Bush, also known as Bush III, is actually very conservative and given the changing demographics of his state, it is not at all clear he can win Florida.

Now, Kasich actually would stand a chance. He is a pragmatist and he seems to have eschewed a divisive approach to contentious issues after the referendum campaign rejected his early anti-union legislation by a landslide. Which is not to say that I like his record, I do not; I just think that he is substantively more moderate than anyone else on that stage (or the little kiddie stage that the tier 2 candidates were forced to take).
 
jojom

jojom

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I've heard that the Democrats are praying Trump gets the final nod.
 
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columbus

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gsa said:
Now, Kasich actually would stand a chance.
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Clearly you have paid more attention than I have. Like I said, I don't pay much attention at this point, 16 months out.

So I am curious. What makes you think someone with such low name recognition is viable, given the GOP and their methods?
I would love to see a centrist GOP candidate to put a real challenge to Billary. But I am not seeing the likelihood.

Tom
 
gsa

gsa

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Jayhawker Soule said:
I appear to be one of the relatively few news junkies who did not watch last night's debate and today's CNN recap is predictably underwhelming. I am, however, intrigued by the two polls addressed here, particularly the showing by Ben Carson and Marco Rubio.

What I did get from watching CNN clips was the sense that Carla Fiorina seemed particularly articulate. It won't happen, but I think a Fiorina-Rubio campaign would be intriguing.
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I find it interesting that Trump has a very loyal following that was undeterred by his debate performance and he comes in second when asked who won.

columbus said:
Clearly you have paid more attention than I have. Like I said, I don't pay much attention at this point, 16 months out.

So I am curious. What makes you think someone with such low name recognition is viable, given the GOP and their methods?
I would love to see a centrist GOP candidate to put a real challenge to Billary. But I am not seeing the likelihood.

Tom
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Name recognition also comes through the campaign season. I find it very unlikely that Kasich stands a chance in the gruesome affair known as the GOP primaries, but I think that he would have sufficient name recognition by the time the general election season was upon us. And name recognition is a two way street after all; the Clintons have name recognition, but a lot of it is negative.
 
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columbus

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gsa said:
find it very unlikely that Kasich stands a chance in the gruesome affair known as the GOP primaries, but I think that he would have sufficient name recognition by the time the general election season was upon us.
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OK. So we actually agree.
A GOP centrist, such as I would vote for, stands no chance in the primaries.
That's really what I meant by "given the methods of the GOP". They will kill a centrist with accusations of "RINO" and give the election to the Clinton's campaign.
Tom
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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I watched Carly Fiorina on CNN this morning. Though I disagree with her politics, I find her to be almost refreshingly focused and articulate. A Fiorina-Rubio ticket would be interesting to watch.
 
Marisa

Marisa

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Jayhawker Soule said:
I appear to be one of the relatively few news junkies who did not watch last night's debate and today's CNN recap is predictably underwhelming. I am, however, intrigued by the two polls addressed here, particularly the showing by Ben Carson and Marco Rubio.

What I did get from watching CNN clips was the sense that Carla Fiorina seemed particularly articulate. It won't happen, but I think a Fiorina-Rubio campaign would be intriguing.
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As a person, I think I like Carly Fiorina. I didn't get to see her debate, but I did watch the "top tier" candidates. The moderators did mention what a wonderful job she did. I saw her briefly interviewed by Anderson Cooper on his show and he asked her about a comment that had been made suggesting she'd make a good selection for VP, and if she felt that was a bit sexist considering she's running for first chair. Without saying "yes", she said yes. Though Hillary's not my first choice candidate, it would be delightful to see her debate Fiorina.
 
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