A meta-disinformation campaign, eh.There is a conspiracy theory that most of the conspiracy theories are created by the Cocaine Import Association so that anyone stumbling over a real conspiracy can be denounced as a crackpot.
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The government wouldn't do that
- Thread starter We Never Know
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No, my point was that the propaganda and perceptions about America changed. The OP question related to many people's faith in government that "the government wouldn't do that" (referring to something bad).
Keep in mind that prior to WW2, the U.S. openly practiced racism. It wasn't something that was underground, nor did it use code words or dog whistles, as what apparently is the case today.
We used to follow the principle of "Manifest Destiny," and people would openly say things like "the only good Injun is a dead Injun." Aggressive wars of expansion were accepted. If we wanted a territory, we took it. "54°40' or fight!" There were no other pretexts because the public didn't need it. It was much different attitude and perception about America and the world which dominated American thought. It was all very nationalistic, racist, and rather brazen in the much rawer form it took.
No pretense about "making the world safe for democracy." That would come later. Our government didn't propagate the ideals of "Captain America" or some noble white knight saving the world and defending freedom on every continent. That would also replace "Manifest Destiny" as America's central focus.
The post-WW2 government also made a point of making sure everyone knew that we had reformed. The openly brazen racism which dominated the culture was deemed socially unacceptable - and soon it would become legally unacceptable. It was bad for our national image and reputation, especially as we were trying to gain hearts and minds in different parts of the world and woo them away from others (mainly the Soviets) who were trying to do the same thing.
I don't believe that I said or implied that atrocities have become less likely, although the public's tolerance of them have clearly diminished. Few Americans cared about what we did in the Philippines or China around the turn of the 19th/20th centuries, but a half century later, they started to care about what we were doing in Vietnam.
Of course, our government still committed atrocities in Vietnam, but they were far more self-conscious and aware of their image, both domestically and internationally. They were focused primarily on making themselves look good; image became all-important, just as it has remained so to this day.
There's worlds of difference between the propaganda and how Americans saw themselves back around the time of the Spanish-American War, as opposed to more modern times. If you or @We Never Know think that I'm wrong about that, I'd be interested in your reasoning or other thoughts you might have on this topic.
My main point was that, in response to the OP's assertion about people who would say "the government wouldn't do that," the reason people say that is because of massive propaganda during and since WW2 which presented a false, comic book image of America as some kind of noble superhero. People believe in that, and they have faith in it. It has very little to do with the practical reality of what our government actually does, but it does influence what people think our government does (or "wouldn't do," as the OP mentioned).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The government is pretty much a legalized mafia.
If they want to experiment or have you wacked, there's not a whole lot a person can do about it.
Slorri
Member
It is quite a bit more than the government being able to do this or that. It is close to all countries, all governments, all media, acting unanimously.
Someone said that we can not understand what is going on as long as we believe there is a virus, but if we understand that it is a bio-weapon, then it makes sense.
And then again, we have the factual videos of nurses and doctors dancing around like baboons, carrying a dead person marked covid-19 on their shoulders. Why...? What is so funny?
The nurses can think either it is a virus pandemic, natural or man made, or a deliberate spread of a bio-weapon in the vaccine.
And this makes them dance in joy!
If the nurses think it is so funny killing people with their ventilators and the remdesivir should they then not have done better to not act out their joy? When we point out this inhuman behaviour by the medical staff people try to explain it away.
Someone said that we can not understand what is going on as long as we believe there is a virus, but if we understand that it is a bio-weapon, then it makes sense.
And then again, we have the factual videos of nurses and doctors dancing around like baboons, carrying a dead person marked covid-19 on their shoulders. Why...? What is so funny?
The nurses can think either it is a virus pandemic, natural or man made, or a deliberate spread of a bio-weapon in the vaccine.
And this makes them dance in joy!
If the nurses think it is so funny killing people with their ventilators and the remdesivir should they then not have done better to not act out their joy? When we point out this inhuman behaviour by the medical staff people try to explain it away.