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The Grand Dilemma

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Personally I view any logical examination as a process that is fundamentally devoid of subjective emotional relationships - the conclusions drawn from that process may have intellectual implications that lead to subjective emotional responses, however the intellectual process itself is both valid and meaningful when completed with sound reasoning and premises.

Both Positive and 'Negative' emotional repercussions may arise due to those 'neutral' intellectual processes and conclusions; the logical processes and their conclusions are neither positive or negative (though some people may perceive them as such due to their world view) however the individual's emotional response to the conclusions drawn may be positive or negative, mainly due to the way in which those conclusions contest or support elements of their worldview (the person's existing understanding of themselves and existence, including biases and assumptions) as well as how readily the individual is able to establish alternative elements that maintain their existing worldview, or else to modify their worldview in such a way as to incorporate the challenge faced - or else to simply discount how applicabile the challenge is to the validty of their world view (say 'it doesn't count'). This is done in an effort to reduce the intellectual discomfort (cognitive dissonance) between what you hold to be true and thenew experiences that challenge those beliefs.

I personally have experienced some negative emotional responses including depression (not diagnosed or anything, I just recognise the symptoms) as a result of logical examination of metaphysical concepts such as 'God', however I personally felt that such emotional states, while valid as responses to something that I felt had dramastically altered my worldview and left me with a situation where I was unable to establish an objective intellectual equivalence for the subjective emotional beliefs that I had previously held as far as the 'meaning' or 'purpose' of living and so forth. My way around this was to examine the 'need' for such a purpose, to determine if it is a purely logical need or whether or not it is emotional; my conclusion was that it was an intellectual expression of a subconcious attempt to mitigate an emotional state of uncertainty - I was attempting to find an 'answer' to quell my uncertainty about something, which I believed to be about the existence of myself in this universe, i.e. why do I exist, and alludes to a broader question why do we exist.

Once again, to examine each of these from a purely logical perspective and from an emotional perspective: Logically speaking there is no 'need' for us to exist unless there is something that 'needed' it (such as a god, an alien designer or something else); from an emotional perspective I found this vastly unsettling.

My eventual response, was to simply embrace the intellectual explanation and shift my world view sufficiently to reduce that negative emotional turmoil - I simply accepted that there was no need for a 'purpose' or something similar, it was not easy, but it was simple.
 

More In Common

I Support Religious Unity
Personally I view any logical examination as a process that is fundamentally devoid of subjective emotional relationships - the conclusions drawn from that process may have intellectual implications that lead to subjective emotional responses, however the intellectual process itself is both valid and meaningful when completed with sound reasoning and premises.

Both Positive and 'Negative' emotional repercussions may arise due to those 'neutral' intellectual processes and conclusions; the logical processes and their conclusions are neither positive or negative (though some people may perceive them as such due to their world view) however the individual's emotional response to the conclusions drawn may be positive or negative, mainly due to the way in which those conclusions contest or support elements of their worldview (the person's existing understanding of themselves and existence, including biases and assumptions) as well as how readily the individual is able to establish alternative elements that maintain their existing worldview, or else to modify their worldview in such a way as to incorporate the challenge faced - or else to simply discount how applicabile the challenge is to the validty of their world view (say 'it doesn't count'). This is done in an effort to reduce the intellectual discomfort (cognitive dissonance) between what you hold to be true and thenew experiences that challenge those beliefs.

I personally have experienced some negative emotional responses including depression (not diagnosed or anything, I just recognise the symptoms) as a result of logical examination of metaphysical concepts such as 'God', however I personally felt that such emotional states, while valid as responses to something that I felt had dramastically altered my worldview and left me with a situation where I was unable to establish an objective intellectual equivalence for the subjective emotional beliefs that I had previously held as far as the 'meaning' or 'purpose' of living and so forth. My way around this was to examine the 'need' for such a purpose, to determine if it is a purely logical need or whether or not it is emotional; my conclusion was that it was an intellectual expression of a subconcious attempt to mitigate an emotional state of uncertainty - I was attempting to find an 'answer' to quell my uncertainty about something, which I believed to be about the existence of myself in this universe, i.e. why do I exist, and alludes to a broader question why do we exist.

Once again, to examine each of these from a purely logical perspective and from an emotional perspective: Logically speaking there is no 'need' for us to exist unless there is something that 'needed' it (such as a god, an alien designer or something else); from an emotional perspective I found this vastly unsettling.

My eventual response, was to simply embrace the intellectual explanation and shift my world view sufficiently to reduce that negative emotional turmoil - I simply accepted that there was no need for a 'purpose' or something similar, it was not easy, but it was simple.

Brilliant! Thanks for taking the time to share such an eloquent manner.
 

DreadFish

Cosmic Vagabond
Wow, I spent an hour writing a very thoughtful response and when I pressed send - it timed me out and erased my reply. LOL! Guess, I was being too wordy and that message wasn't meant to be. No chance of me doing that again, so let me be brief:

If it's getting overwhelming thinking about all this deep philosophical junk - take a break friend..


Go outside, give your brain a rest and just have FUN!! Don't look too much into things and just practice being happy rather than trying to figure out life's great mysteries.

If you can't stop thinking about these subjects then I'll quickly say: The best advice I can give is to practice patience - give yourself more time!

I agree with some of the other posts that this is just a stage. In time the pendulum always swings the other direction and I'm sure you'll find that your spiritual mindset with grow/mature naturally.


Congratulate yourself that you've made it this far, and trust that eventually you'll get beyond subjective notions of importance.


More In Common is right! I forgot, but I also did this a couple times when in these deep philosophical and existential ruts, and it helps a lot.


I second his recommendation.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
*nods* it is not always a thing that can be rushed, the subconscious mind is one of the most powerful tools at our disposal. Taking a break, relaxing, doing something completely unrelated (often tasks that do not involve thinking over much, but instead involve repetition) Oh and apparently water and heights are both good for stimulating those thought processes. I can attest to water being helpful though since I am afraid of heights i found that clinging to the ground in desperation with my eyes clamped shut to be less than helpful in pondering the nature of metaphysical concepts.
 
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