The great achievements and advancements of Socialism

[Cooky]

Let us explore the great achievements born out of socialism, and compare them to the great achievements and advancements of Capitalism.

This thread is specifically about positive achievements only. This is about exposing concrete examples and not ideological / political preferential progress. Thank you.

Let us begin.

 

[Woberts]

Winning the "space race".

 

[BSM1]

*crickets*

 

[Woberts]

Racial equality before the West.

 

[Cooky]

Racial equality before the West.

Okay, so for educational purposes, and exploration, where exactly did this occur that can be demonstrated? Thanks in advance for educating me.

 

[sooda]

Let us explore the great achievements born out of socialism, and compare them to the great achievements and advancements of Capitalism.

This thread is specifically about positive achievements only. This is about exposing concrete examples and not ideological / political preferential progress. Thank you.

Let us begin.

Why don't you name the socialist countries?

 

[metis]

The various "safety net"programs to help those in need and to offer protection.

 

[BSM1]

The various "safety net"programs to help those in need and to offer protection.

Such as?

 

[Woberts]

Okay, so for educational purposes, and exploration, where exactly did this occur that can be demonstrated? Thanks in advance for educating me.

Here's some admittedly anecdotal evidence from Paul Robeson, who said "The Soviet Union’s very existence, its example before the world of abolishing all discrimination based on color or nationality… this has given us Negroes the chance of achieving our complete liberation within our own time.”

They also encouraged migration, especially African migration as a means of lifting them up to the prestigious position of being considered people.

Note that this happened during the Jim Crow era.

 

[WalterTrull]

Aren't all religions intrinsically socialist?

 

[Woberts]

Aren't all religions intrinsically socialist?

Ew. No thanks.

 

[Cooky]

Why don't you name the socialist countries?

No thank you, I'll pass on that as That's not related to my objective here. My objective is to explore the achievements of socialism, and to determine if the concept is actually anything worth fighting for. I see politicians like ocacio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders, sort of dividing the Democratic party over this issue as if it's a very important objective.

...I want to get into their mindset and explore it from within. I want to see what they see. I want to see if their concerns are legitimate, or if they're just being rabble-rousers, causing trouble.

 

[shunyadragon]

Let us explore the great achievements born out of socialism, and compare them to the great achievements and advancements of Capitalism.

This thread is specifically about positive achievements only. This is about exposing concrete examples and not ideological / political preferential progress. Thank you.

Let us begin.

First, I consider capitalism and socialism (began as communalism) to be natural aspects of the history of humanity concerning the evolving social and economic nature of humanity.

More to follow. . .

 

[shunyadragon]

Aren't all religions intrinsically socialist?

No. The more ancient cultures of the world were communalist in social aspects, but also traded for gains of a capitalist nature.

 

[sooda]

No thank you, I'll pass on that as That's not related to my objective here. My objective is to explore the achievements of socialism, and to determine if the concept is actually anything worth fighting for.

I see politicians like occacio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders, sort of dividing the Democratic party over this issue as if it's a very important objective.

...I want to get into their mindset and explore it from within. I want to see what they see.

I want to see if their concerns are legitimate, or if they're just being rabble-rousers, causing trouble.

Well, lets be realistic.. Post some concrete names of Socialist countries.

 

[ChristineM]

Let us explore the great achievements born out of socialism, and compare them to the great achievements and advancements of Capitalism.

This thread is specifically about positive achievements only. This is about exposing concrete examples and not ideological / political preferential progress. Thank you.

Let us begin.

Improved employment rights
Legal minimum wage
The idea of universal healthcare

 

[Cooky]

First, I consider capitalism and socialism (began as communalism) to be natural aspects of the history of humanity concerning the evolving social and economic nature of humanity.

More to follow. . .

Thank you, this was also in my mind as well. I thought it when I was in a Hispanic neighborhood yesterday, where a garage-turned-multiple residence as well as a trailer were discovered behind a home on a property where multiple families were all living here in Los Angeles...

...I was thinking about how that communal "village" was ugly, and imagined myself growing up there, how I might consider my life living that way. I would have less hopes and dreams, because I would be caught up blending too much with those around me. I would be destined to just "blend" for my entire life, living up to others expectations around me - the elders, the neighbors, etc.

I find that style of life outdated. I find individual family units (and individualism itself) more desirable than communal life.

 

[metis]

Such as?

If you don't know, then you simply don't have a clue what "socialism" is and why it developed to try and deal with the "ills of capitalism". Even a fifth grader should know what programs we have in place to try and help the poor and the elderly, for examples.

 

[sooda]

Thank you, this was also in my mind as well. I thought it when I was in a Hispanic neighborhood yesterday, where a garage-turned-multiple residence as well as a trailer were discovered behind a home on a property where multiple families were all living here in Los Angeles...

...I was thinking about how that communal "village" was ugly, and imagined myself growing up there, how I might consider my life living that way. I would have less hopes and dreams, because I would be caught up blending too much with those around me. I would be destined to just "blend" for my entire life, living up to others expectations around me - the elders, the neighbors, etc.

I find that style of life outdated. I find individual family units (and individualism itself) more desirable than communal life.

There were many multiple family houses and multiple generation houses in our recent history. Is that socialism?

 

[Cooky]

Improved employment rights
Legal minimum wage
The idea of universal healthcare

But these are just political / ideological preferences. These are not concrete examples of profound achievements in their own right.

With capitalism, we have stock exchanges, shopping malls, industrial complexes, wealth in the United States that surpasses anything ever seen...

...These are solid achievements.