The great achievements and advancements of Socialism

[metis]

All in all Capitalism is self standing,

No, it's not as every single country that tried to use it chucked it into the trash bin and moved into mixed economies of varying degrees. With no safety net, capitalism is highly unstable, plus it can lead to immense poverty for so many. The Catholic Church would not advocate unbridled capitalism for that reason, and it's only when countries introduced safety nets that they were willing to feel comfortable with it.

 

[WalterTrull]

When I had a DUI in 2008, it took a while for the processing to go through, and so, I took a job in the meantime and then once the paperwork was filed, I ended up being fired because the company lied and said I lied on my paperwork.

...So for one full year, I was unable to collect unemployment, because my appeals were all denied. I ended up living in a tent half the year, and the other half in my car, begging for food and my kids lived in Arizona with my parents because I was hoping for a job that was never coming (all jobs in my construction field seemed to require a CDL).

More recently, however, I collected unemployment after a layoff, and then when I went back to work, I kept collecting for a long time. I also, claim 99 dependents on my state taxes now, and have ever since and have collected over $50,000. In cash.

Paybacks are a *****.
I won't stop.
Whenever they come after me, I quit and get a new job. It usually takes half a year or longer for the paperwork to catch up, which gives me plenty of time to jump ship again and again and again and again.

Ahh. You got the hidden "safety net" card. Congratulations! Hope you land on the "get out of jail free" square too.

 

[WalterTrull]

*chuckles*
Fair call.

Religions are so wide ranging, it's almost impossible for them to be all anything.
Further, when talking from an economic viewpoint, some are more agnostic than anything.

I'd be comfortable with 'many' or perhaps even 'most'...not sure, I'd need to think. But all...nah...

Some examples include 'Prosperity Theology', or some of the cargo cults of the Pacifics.
Actually, the cargo cult examples are quite interesting, since many of those societies are by nature socialist (children being literally raised by the village) yet at times a belief that God is a provider of material wealth to the deserving has been very active.

In both case, wealth of an individual is correlated with 'correct' religious behaviour.

Thanks.
Perhaps my view of socialism is a bit broad. I was thinking in terms of "saving my group" however small the group and even if incorporating "killing your group".

 

[PureX]

I can only speak for the UK but if it hadn't been for socialism we would not have...

• The National Health Service
• Free Education for all
• The Welfare State
• Worker's Rights
• Minimum Wage
• Health & Safety Laws
• Environmental Standards
• etc., etc.

I agree that many of these are now accepted by capitalism BUT initially they were dragged kicking and screaming about profits and factory closures - then they realised how popular they were.

Here in the U.S. the capitalists are working hard and tirelessly to reverse all of these socialist advancements. I suggest you be VERY wary there in the U.K., because this kind of aggressive greed and selfishness tends to spread like a disease.

 

[Altfish]

Here in the U.S. the capitalists are working hard and tirelessly to reverse all of these socialist advancements. I suggest you be VERY wary there in the U.K., because this kind of aggressive greed and selfishness tends to spread like a disease.

Correct, with Brexit happening I fear the worse. Low income, reduce legislation, no environmental laws...yes, I fear the worse.

 

[Yerda]

Let us explore the great achievements born out of socialism, and compare them to the great achievements and advancements of Capitalism.

This thread is specifically about positive achievements only. This is about exposing concrete examples and not ideological / political preferential progress. Thank you.

Let us begin.

What are the criteria for deciding whether an advance is due to socialism or capitalism? Some things seem obvious; trade creating wealth and helping lift people out of poverty seems to me to be a good thing that happened because of capitalism. But then without distributionist policy that seems inhernetly socialist fewer people would have benefited. Get me?

 

[shunyadragon]

What are the criteria for deciding whether an advance is due to socialism or capitalism? Some things seem obvious; trade creating wealth and helping lift people out of poverty seems to me to be a good thing that happened because of capitalism. But then without distributionist policy that seems inherently socialist fewer people would have benefited. Get me?

This is good. Yes, capitalism is important at the basis of economics of a society, but it is not historically compassionate toward the human needs in societies. A purely capitalist society is based solely on competitive profit motive economics, and this is very apparent in the current administration's perspective on the poor and lower income strata of our society.

Question for the die hard capitalists and tRump lovers out there:

How can Capitalism provide for the compassion and needs of the less fortunate, poor, and low income of society?

 

[serp777]

Let us explore the great achievements born out of socialism, and compare them to the great achievements and advancements of Capitalism.

This thread is specifically about positive achievements only. This is about exposing concrete examples and not ideological / political preferential progress. Thank you.

Let us begin.

Their greatest achievements, meaning their largest, would probably be the kill death ratio of their own citizens. Capitalism is definitely less by an order of magnitude at least.