The greatest archaeological find, the life and true identity of Jesus recorded

[dyanaprajna2011]

What a surprise, since proofs are science, science wins over religion.

Not necessarily. Science deals with the natural world, and explains it's processes. Religion deals with spirituality which, by nature, doesn't really deal much with what's natural. They're basically two different spheres, which don't have all that much overlap.

 

[Semjase]

I'm afraid your wrong there a lot of people have gone to the other side and come back,
its well documented that spirit matter is governed by science as well.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

I'm afraid your wrong there a lot of people have gone to the other side and come back,
its well documented that spirit matter is governed by science as well.

That all depends on who you ask. Some would disagree, some would agree, but with a slight redefining of terms. Take for instance Zen Buddhism. Most people would consider it a mystical religion, and alot of it's terms and tactics coincide with what we generally see as mysticism. However, Zen practitioners, and it's great masters, have considered it not mystical, but completely natural. We just understand things in a slightly different way that allows us to see what most would consider mystical, as natural.

 

[Riverwolf]

What a surprise, since proofs are science, science wins over religion.

...proofs are logic, not necessarily science. Religion and science also don't have to conflict.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm afraid your wrong there a lot of people have gone to the other side and come back,
its well documented that spirit matter is governed by science as well.

...spirit matter (which is kind of an oxymoron, since spiritual things aren't material, and therefore not matter) is governed by a method of obtaining knowledge?

 

[Semjase]

The spirit is a highly advanced piece of science, although it does not have solid form it interacts with solid matter through the laws of science.The spirit and the body work together so person experience real, which physical matter cannot give only spiritual matter can
give. The spirit lives for an eternity through many incarnations. These are the principles
that Semjase's people teach who are highly evolved in spirit.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Any luck on providing any verifiable evidence?

 

[Semjase]

If Semjase's people were to take you to there home world Erra then you would believe, until then you'll then just have to take it on faith.

 

[Riverwolf]

The spirit is a highly advanced piece of science, although it does not have solid form it interacts with solid matter through the laws of science.

Dude, do you even know what science is?

 

[Riverwolf]

If Semjase's people were to take you to there home world Erra then you would believe, until then you'll then just have to take it on faith.

Oh?

And where is this home world?

 

[tumbleweed41]

If Semjase's people were to take you to there home world Erra then you would believe, until then you'll then just have to take it on faith.

Sorry, that's not how it works.

You are free to take it on faith. However, if you want to come on here and make claims of "corroborated prophecies", alien gods, and UFO's, it's gonna take a bit more than your word, or the unsubstantiated words of a "modern prophet".

 

[WordsintoHarmony]

When Jesus walked on the Earth he taught in the synagogues. But Jesus also taught in various other kinds of environments such as on Mount Olive. Among his teaching Jesus had to prove He was from God. Jesus healed the sick, paralyzed, Epileptics, crippled, Deaf, Blind, leprosy, and even miracles of feeding a multitude of five thousand.

Jesus was not on a stage or around any curtains or that of trick mirrors of magic. He did this that the open crowds could see whom he really is. While some believed and many followed others did not believe Jesus after what they saw. They thought some of them Jesus was using some kind of magic or that authority of the devil. Or maybe just a hoax an act that was pre rehearsed. If there those that did not believe Jesus then we should also expect that even this scroll no matter what evidence is on them. Some may believe this and others will not. Other words if Jesus Himself was not enough evidence that everyone would believe him even seeing all what he did before their very eyes then also this scroll may also be believed by some and doubted by others.

Whether this scroll or scrolls are true or not is not really my own concern. I believe enough evidence has been discovered already as to what we read and study today. We have the Holy Bible today even online to read that is translated into English from the old text. The Bible is certainly to me sufficient evidence of God and Jesus whom the Father sent. Therefore it did not take two thousand years to uncover the truth from the mainstream. If that was the case then Jesus would have been lying to us. He instructed his disciples to write these things down as a testimony to all nations, tongues and of every tribe as being a witness to what you have seen and what Jesus told them to write.

But to help them even further God sent the Holy Spirit to them as they waited in Jerusalem as Jesus commanded them to wait there. Being led by the Spirit of the Lord the Disciples carried out the work of God to prove this was his Disciples. They were given gifts as of healing speaking in tongues of many languages and delivering the Gospel. But even though some believe others did not believe.

If one picks up the Bible it is a question to whether one will choose to believe this book. Pick up a Time magazine a person chooses to believe it or not. Pick up the Enquirer paper do you believe this or not? What do people choose to believe? I believe the Bible is true even as some others also do and yet some do not believe the Bible. I can testify to the Lord and this book. But there is no guarantee what one will believe. God allows us to choose or to reject him or to believe the Bible or to call it lies. Jesus did not tie any man up with a rope that they should listen. Instead he walked out of the place where there was much unbelief. And we are also instructed to do likewise. Jesus could not waste his energy forcing others to obey anything he said. Jesus continued his journey to reach the Gospel and healing many as he was able to. Some believed then and some believe now. Some doubted then and some do doubt now. Up to each person they will make their own choice.

 

[Semjase]

It's a wonderful thing scientific evidence, then there's no room for misunderstanding.But from
my perspective if you look at enough peoples testimonials on all people related to this subject
matter, you can assume that the majority of people do not lie,then all the pieces of the puzzle
begin to fit to create a picture, then you create a working model, as physicists created the
standard model when they found the Higgs boson they knew it was right. Your looking for
the Higgs boson and I can't give you that.

 

[tumbleweed41]

It's a wonderful thing scientific evidence, then there's no room for misunderstanding.But from
my perspective if you look at enough peoples testimonials on all people related to this subject
matter, you can assume that the majority of people do not lie,then all the pieces of the puzzle
begin to fit to create a picture, then you create a working model...

By this logic, every religion in the world is true.

 

[Riverwolf]

It's a wonderful thing scientific evidence, then there's no room for misunderstanding.But from
my perspective if you look at enough peoples testimonials on all people related to this subject
matter, you can assume that the majority of people do not lie,then all the pieces of the puzzle
begin to fit to create a picture, then you create a working model, as physicists created the
standard model when they found the Higgs boson they knew it was right. Your looking for
the Higgs boson and I can't give you that.

...except for the fact that the human brain is horribly flawed in terms of information processing, to the point where there was a cop chasing a UFO swinging across the sky, when the UFO turned out to be Venus, and he was driving on a winding road. This was a police officer.

So, yes, people don't generally lie, but we also generally misremember, misidentify. and misunderstand.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Well, I took the plunge and read through the Talmud of Jmmanuel.

I was struck by the racial bigotry infused throughout.
Adam, father of the White Race, the constant degrading of Jews, and the teaching of there being "three races of man".

Not to mention the constant self-fulfilling prophesy of "in two time a thousand years....".

And the syntax was atrocious. Reading exactly like someone attempting, and failing, to mimic the english of King James.

Oh, and I loved the bit that explained how Isa Rashid could read the Aramaic of two thousand years ago because he has "Palestinian background in his family".

 

[Curious George]

Well, I took the plunge and read through the Talmud of Jmmanuel.

I was struck by the racial bigotry infused throughout.
Adam, father of the White Race, the constant degrading of Jews, and the teaching of there being "three races of man".

Not to mention the constant self-fulfilling prophesy of "in two time a thousand years....".

And the syntax was atrocious. Reading exactly like someone attempting, and failing, to mimic the english of King James.

Oh, and I loved the bit that explained how Isa Rashid could read the Aramaic of two thousand years ago because he has "Palestinian background in his family".

Sounds like an interesting book to say the least.

 

[Shermana]

I can at least appreciate the anti-Trinitarinaism.

What may be a minor problem, however, is that the interpretation "God with us" was not taken to mean that Jesus was God for at least another 50 years. That is, Jesus was probably not identified as God, or Theos, even by Paul, unless in Rom 9:5; Paul otherwise referred to him as the Son of God and Christ. So, would Joseph and Mary have considered their son to be God himself? That seems quite unlikely, in which case they would have interpreted the name "Immanuel" somewhat differently. It is granted, however, that decades later still, the Jesus-is-God interpretation took hold, so that the writer of Matthew could utilize it as his parenthetical interpretation.

Just from that I will give them a serious look.

http://www.tjresearch.info/mt1.htm

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Hoax?

I agree with this as well. And it wouldn't be the first hoax of this nature.

The problem with that analysis that like saying aliens don't exist, and crop circles all created by hoaxers.

Crop circles were caused by giant alien ringworms.