The Holocaust

[greatcalgarian]

Don't forget to add in the mentally handicapped, homosexuals and gypsys. I think that the total number of jews killed by Germany is robably aroudn 6 million. Whether this is the exact number or not shouldn't matter though. The fact that these people where slaughtered because of their race is tragedy enough in and of itself. It is frustrating to me though, that often times the jewish tragedy hugely overshadows the deaths of all of those already mentioned during the war. The number of Russians slaughtered was probably at least 4 times that of the jewish holocaust, and yet many people outside of Russia never remember it.

As for the comparisons to the conqering of the native americans by europeans, I think the only similarity is in the total disregard for human life exemplified in both instances. Besides that, there are more differences than similarities, and I agree that there is no reason for modern day Americans to feel responsible or to take blame for those acts so long ago. I am only responsible for my own actions, or inactions, not for anyone elses, and so are all of you.

How many generations back should be a valid position to take to be responsible for something bad? One generation or two generation? It has nothing to do with time frame, it has to do with whether you agree and condone what your great great great grand persons did during their time, and whether you are still having the same attitude of native Americans are inferiror in race, in intelligence, and hence should be treated as second class citizens etc.

 

[greatcalgarian]

That's a thing I don't like about the Holocaust.

There are some Holocaust memorials in Japan. But there is no memorial in Japan that shows the brutality against the chinese in WWII.

About 7 Million Germans died during WWII

In the post-war Germany, Homosexuals were not recognized as victims of Hitler. The nazi-laws against homosexuals endured the Third Reich for two decades.

In the post-war Germany the murder of about 20 million Russians was not recognized as murder but as war casualties. If you kill someone who is not a soldier it is murder - if you kill someone on the battlefield it is honor.

After WWII murder continued all over the world. In Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Iraq, Africa, Cambodia and so far...the other genocides are considered as beeing harmless, becaust less people were killed, than during the Holocaust.

Frubals to you for bringing up the genocide of the Chinese by Japanese:clap

 

[greatcalgarian]

That is too bad. But, while the differences may be too subtle for you, they are nevertheless real:

• The Shoah is not a war casualty statistic. It is a clinical and deliberate attempt to exterminate a people on ethnic and religious grounds.
• The Shoah is not an instance of the excesses of war. It is the continuation of the dhimmitude in the Muslim world and Pogroms in the Pale of Settlement
• The Shoah is not what one nationality did. It is what occurred as country after country shut its borders to those seeking to flee the shock troops.

So, there is "a thing [you] don't like about the Holocaust"? There are many things that I don't like about the Holocaust, and not one of them makes me one bit less sensitive to the many other attrocities perpetrated by man.

Not completely true. The Chinese never persecuted the Jews?

 

[Popeyesays]

Which is why, to this day, we have a memorialon the 11th November, at 11 a.m..................Lest we forget............"

There's an interesting aside to November 11th that makes an interesting point as to how we fight wars, eulogize peace and fail to learn from our own past.

November 11th was originally "Armistice Day" and it celebrated the fact that fighting ended on November 11th 1918. The day commemorates the end of World War ONE, not Two - the "War to End All Wars".

Regards,
Scott

 

[searcher63]

Frubals to you for bringing up the genocide of the Chinese by Japanese:clap

EXCELLENT POINT BRINGING OUT THE OTHER VICTIMS OF THE WAR!!!!!! Another group victimized but seldom aknowleged were Jehovah's Witnesses. There is an excellent documentary entitled "THE PURPLE TRIANGLE". Its very informative.

 

[michel]

There's an interesting aside to November 11th that makes an interesting point as to how we fight wars, eulogize peace and fail to learn from our own past.

November 11th was originally "Armistice Day" and it celebrated the fact that fighting ended on November 11th 1918. The day commemorates the end of World War ONE, not Two - the "War to End All Wars".

Regards,
Scott

Quite; good point.........

As for not learning from mistakes (I was thinking of the number of Russians killed during WWII you quoted), Hitler duplicated Napoleon's mistake of trying to get to Moscow to overthrow the Russians.

In both cases, the Russians simply let them get deep into Russia, far away from their own supply lines, cut off from their own at the onset of winter, and that was basically 'it'.

The number of German soldiers who shot themselves in the foot (literally), to get out of being sent to the Russian front gave that expression to our language.

 

[Popeyesays]

EXCELLENT POINT BRINGING OUT THE OTHER VICTIMS OF THE WAR!!!!!! Another group victimized but seldom aknowleged were Jehovah's Witnesses. There is an excellent documentary entitled "THE PURPLE TRIANGLE". Its very informative.

About 2,000 European Jehovah Witnesses died in the Holocaust. Not inconsiderable at all considering how few there were. They refused to fight in their nation's armies and the Third Reich did not look well upon conscientious objectors.

Regardes,
Scott

 

[michel]

About 2,000 European Jehovah Witnesses died in the Holocaust. Not inconsiderable at all considering how few there were. They refused to fight in their nation's armies and the Third Reich did not look well upon conscientious objectors.

Regardes,
Scott

Another point that has arisen in the last few years is that of all the British soldiers shot as deserters - for refusing to fight. It is now realized they were most likely suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome.................they were shot as cowards.

 

[searcher63]

About 2,000 European Jehovah Witnesses died in the Holocaust. Not inconsiderable at all considering how few there were. They refused to fight in their nation's armies and the Third Reich did not look well upon conscientious objectors.

Regardes,
Scott

I see you are a student of history as well as the bible. Frubals to you!
(Whatever a frubal is. I dont know what they are ..lol...people are giving them out so what the hay..I might as well too!)

 

[Fluffy]

I see you are a student of history as well as the bible. Frubals to you!
(Whatever a frubal is. I dont know what they are ..lol...people are giving them out so what the hay..I might as well too!)

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