The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Whore of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast

[metis]

BTW, here's the Wiki article on this, but I'll just quote the first part as there's so much more:

In Christianity, the Antichrist (Greek: Ἀντίχριστος, translit. antichristos) is the antagonist of the Messiah, specifically the Christ. The term is found five times in the New Testament, solely in the First and Second Epistle of John (once in plural form and four times in the singular).

The first mention of the "antichrist" appears in the First Epistle of John, where he is announced as the one "who denies the Father and the Son". Before announcing the Great Tribulation, Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew (chapter 24) alerts his disciples not to be deceived by the false prophets, which will claim themselves as being Christ, operating "great signs and wonders". One image of the antichrist, commonly understood to rise in power in the last days and often associated with the "little horn" in Daniel's final vision, is found as the "man of sin" in Paul the Apostle's Second Epistle to the Thessalonians... -- Antichrist - Wikipedia

 

[metis]

I kind of wish Revelation wasn't included in the canon. Far too much outlandish lunacy has been inspired by misinterpresentations of it over the centuries.

It actually almost wasn't.

One was a problem with authorship even though it says "John on Patmos". Today, linguistic scholars tell us that the language of Revelation changes as one goes through it, thus indicating there may have been more than one author.

Also, the "millennial reign" does not show up in any other source nor in any early tradition, so the early Church fathers said it should be only taken symbolically. According to the biblical scholar William Barclay, about 1/3 of the early local churches didn't use it. Even in the selection of the canon in the fourth century there was debate on it, but it obviously got selected anyway.

Pretty much most of the scholars that I have read on this, both mainline Protestant and Catholic, do believe all of the references were understood to have existed in the 1st century Church and that includes the "millennial reign" with that being Jesus' establishing the Kingdom of God here on Earth while here.

 

[sooda]

The antichrist is the pope.

Nope.. That was a politically inspired rumor in by Martin Luther during the Reformation.

 

[sooda]

The word "anti-christ" in the Greek means "anti-messiah", which means "opposite of anointing one", because "anti" means opposite, and Messiah means "anointed one", as such, the pope is a false anointed one, thus, he is an "antichrist". He was prophesied to come through the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which was Rome, and through the little horn of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which was the Roman popes. He is undeniably the fulfillment of these prophecies, not to mention the book of Revelation plainly tells us, "the woman is the great city seated on seven mountains", which is known to be Rome,
Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Capitoline Hill, Esquiline Hill, Palatine Hill, Quirinal Hill, and Viminal Hill. It baffles me how people refuse to see the obvious, its because they don't want to see it, they are willfully blind.

The city on seven hills is Jerusalem.

Seven hills of Jerusalem are Mount of Olives, Mount Scopus, Mount of Corruption,Mount Ophel,the Original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the Hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

According to some 30 references in the Bible Jerusalem is the Whore of Babylon.

 

[sooda]

Fantastic! It's been ages since I've read anything about the EU being a sign of the End Times. I'm keen to know more.

But as this is a discussion forum, I think you need to tell us more here, rather than just sending off to some website somewhere, where there is far too much to read at one go. Tell me, who is the Antichrist? Is it the Pope? He's in Europe, so should be a strong contender. Or Jean-Claude Juncker, perhaps?

But anyway, regarding your website, many congratulations for avoiding the usual riot of colours, fonts and bad layout that are the typical warning sign of cranks and nutcases. Some of the pictures are excellent.

The 7 Mountains (Revelation 17:9) refer to Jerusalem, not Rome.

The seven mountains upon which Jerusalem was built are Mount Zion, Mount Ophel, Mount Moriah, Mount Bezetha, Mount Acra, Mount Gareb, and Mount Goath.

 

[sooda]

The antichrist is the pope.

Nope.. That was Martin Luther's claim in the 15th century.

 

[HolyHolyHolyEvil]

Antichrist is psychiatry which will at some point in the future have a face and voice representative.

The talking beast is television, connected to the larger beastly system of electricity and telecommunications.

Steve Paddock, Las Vegas shooting in 2017, was the rider on the RED horse.

The white horse is pestilence (horse pornography).

The black horse has been showing signs of arrival since Nov 2018.

More on antichrist: a godlike entity that denies spirit and offers salvation but that salvation is ultimately denied. TRANSLATION: psychiatry is empowered by the government (see? One beast facilitates another) and their motto is "trust us, we know what we're doing" (this constitutes godlike self-exaltation). The "salvation" offered is "magic pills" and "happy pills" (mockingly called) which are, of course, all class of ANTI: anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, anti-psychotic. This so-called salvation is denied because the pills are neurotoxins that cause iaotragenic damage, disability and death. Psychiatry denies spirit and uses a test of dreams and visions to diagnose a falsely constructed, nonexistent brain disease.

As the end times progresses, human suffering will severely worsen. The face and voice representative will emerge and will force drug people enmass. Many will fall for it, desperate to relieve suffering. Additionally, the antichrist is called the abomination of desolation. Desolation is a psychological term for depression and despair (those who are lifeless and suffer an empty existence).

 

[sooda]

Antichrist is psychiatry which will at some point in the future have a face and voice representative.

The talking beast is television, connected to the larger beastly system of electricity and telecommunications.

Steve Paddock, Las Vegas shooting in 2017, was the rider on the RED horse.

The white horse is pestilence (horse pornography).

The black horse has been showing signs of arrival since Nov 2018.

More on antichrist: a godlike entity that denies spirit and offers salvation but that salvation is ultimately denied. TRANSLATION: psychiatry is empowered by the government (see? One beast facilitates another) and their motto is "trust us, we know what we're doing" (this constitutes godlike self-exaltation). The "salvation" offered is "magic pills" and "happy pills" (mockingly called) which are, of course, all class of ANTI: anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, anti-psychotic. This so-called salvation is denied because the pills are neurotoxins that cause iaotragenic damage, disability and death. Psychiatry denies spirit and uses a test of dreams and visions to diagnose a falsely constructed, nonexistent brain disease.

As the end times progresses, human suffering will severely worsen. The face and voice representative will emerge and will force drug people enmass. Many will fall for it, desperate to relieve suffering. Additionally, the antichrist is called the abomination of desolation. Desolation is a psychological term for depression and despair (those who are lifeless and suffer an empty existence).

Are you kidding? Revelation was written to the people of the first century.. actually up dated by John of Patmos (John the Presbytr) from an older Jewish apocalyptic writing that never mentioned Jesus or the apostles.

 

[HolyHolyHolyEvil]

Are you kidding? Revelation was written to the people of the first century.. actually up dated by John of Patmos (John the Presbytr) from an older Jewish apocalyptic writing that never mentioned Jesus or the apostles.

No, not at all kidding.

 

[sooda]

No, not at all kidding.

You actually believe that claptrap?

The Beast was the Roman Emperor. The Abomination of Desolation was Antiochus IV Epiphanes circa 165 BC. You have to actually study the first century and not make up garbage.

 

[reddogs]

Impossible as it is identified as one person, plus this person must have existed at the time of the writing because it says that people will know (present tense) who it is.

Most scholars that I'm aware of believe it is likely a reference to Nero, who fits the descriptions quite well.

From early on there has been a consistent, coherent and by the time of the Reformation a clear and univocal interpretation of the identity of the Anti-Christ. It was shown as the Papacy by even Jerome and including Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, and Cotton Mather, who saw that the church had been led into apostasy by the Papacy and identified it as the Antichrist. The Protestant Reformation did not invent this reading of the Papacy as the Anti-Christ but as soon as the Roman Empire had fallen away, the Anti-Christ power began to show itself, and was recognized. Here is the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith summarizing this Protestant consensus:
"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof, but is that Antichrist, the man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself, in the church, against Christ and all that is called God” (art. 25.6).[Followed by The Savoy Declaration (1658), art. 26 and The London Baptist Confession of Faith (1689), art. 26]

 

[Goodman John]

I naturally take a dim view of the Church, but I don't for one minute see the Pope as any sort of 'Anti-Christ' in any sense of the word. The shoes of the AC are simply too big for any human to fill.