The Illuminati

[IndigoChild5559]

Freemasonic stuff on the dollars.

Who cares? Freemasons emphasized all sorts of good stuff.

• Brotherhood
• Charity
• Moral and Ethical Conduct
• Liberty and Freedom
• Equality
• Faith in a Supreme Being
• Education and Enlightenment
• Discretion

 

[Estro Felino]

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Illuminati.

The mottos Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Order of the Ages) and annuit coeptis (He [Providence] has favored our undertakings) were submitted by Charles Thomson, the secretary of the Congress of the Confederation. He took Novus Ordo Seclorum from a poem by Virgil. He wrote that the phrase signified "the beginning of the New American Era" Nothing at all nefarious.

With all due respect but I studied Latin even at university...and coepior is the verb: meaning to initiate.
Coeptis is dative plural (past participle) and refers to people.
If it had dealt with things, it would have been coeptis rebus. Because according to your theory coepta (allegedly undertaken or initiated things) only in the accusative, vocative and nominative means "undertaken things". In the other cases (ablative, dative, genitive), it needs res, so it becomes coeptium rerum (genitive), coeptis rebus (dative and ablative).
So there is no doubt that coeptis refers to people that have been initiated to something.

He WAS a Freemason, which is an entirely different organization, also not nefarious.

I was implying it deals with Freemasonry...not with the original Bavarian Illuminati.
Not nefarious? Maybe in the XVIII century they were not. Now they are.

 

[Estro Felino]

Who cares? Freemasons emphasized all sorts of good stuff.

• Brotherhood
• Charity
• Moral and Ethical Conduct
• Liberty and Freedom
• Equality
• Faith in a Supreme Being
• Education and Enlightenment
• Discretion

Yes. Actually...correction:

• Brotherhood among fellow Freemasons. Not towards the other fellow humans (non-Freemasons)
• Charity among fellow Freemasons
• Moral and Ethical Conduct among fellow Freemasons
• Liberty and Freedom among fellow Freemasons
• Equality among fellow Freemasons
• Faith in a Supreme Being (NOT the Christian God)
• Education and Enlightenment among fellow Freemasons
• Discretion = secrecy and clandestine stuff.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

With all due respect but I studied Latin even at university...and coepi is a defective verb lacking the present tense.
Coeptis is dative plural (past participle) and refers to people.
If it had dealt with things, it would have been coeptis rebus. Because according to your theory coepta (allegedly undertakings) only in the accusative, vocative and nominative means "undertook things". In the other cases (ablative, dative, genitive), it needs res, so it becomes coeptium rerum (GEN), coeptis rebus (dative and ablative).
So there is no doubt that coeptis refers to people that have been initiated to something.

I don't speak a lick of Latin, but now how to ask ChatGPT. "The Latin word "coeptis" is the ablative singular form of "coeptum," which means "undertaking," "beginning," or "enterprise." In the phrase "Annuit Coeptis," "coeptis" refers to the endeavors or undertakings of the people."

There is nothing about that which implies an initiation into any secret society.

I was implying it deals with Freemasonry...not with the original Bavarian Illuminati.
Not nefarious? Maybe in the XVIII century they were not. Now they are.

That's classic case of tin foil hat thinking.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes. Actually...correction:

• Brotherhood among fellow Freemasons. Not towards the other fellow humans (non-Freemasons)
• Charity among fellow Freemasons
• Moral and Ethical Conduct among fellow Freemasons
• Liberty and Freedom among fellow Freemasons
• Equality among fellow Freemasons
• Faith in a Supreme Being (NOT the Christian God)
• Education and Enlightenment among fellow Freemasons
• Discretion = secrecy and clandestine stuff.

ROFL You're mining for drama in a peaceful valley.

 

[Heyo]

Some information about the "Illuninati": Illuminati - Wikipedia
And some conspiracy theory stories build on the myths: The Illuminatus! Trilogy - Wikipedia
I can highly recommend Illuminatus!, as it is a blueprint for many conspiracy theories, even though it was satirical originally.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't speak a lick of Latin, but now how to ask ChatGPT. "The Latin word "coeptis" is the ablative singular form of "coeptum," which means "undertaking," "beginning," or "enterprise." In the phrase "Annuit Coeptis," "coeptis" refers to the endeavors or undertakings of the people."

The verb annuo is used in the context of people.
And as you can read here coeptus is a masculine noun meaning initiated person.

NS - Latin - Analisi grammaticale - Coniugazione di: coeptus: - Italiano traduzione iniziare :

Coniugazione di: coeptus = coepere: Verbo passivo PARTICIPIO Passato

www.nihilscio.it

The Freemasonic context is absolutely evident.

There is nothing about that which implies an initiation into any secret society.

There is also what the great thinker Freud called Verneinung.

 

[Estro Felino]

ROFL You're mining for drama in a peaceful valley.

But you didn't even try to refute my claim...that is Freemasons value brotherhood and charity only towards fellow Freemasons.
He who is silent, approves.

 

[Altfish]

What shocks me is that you mentioned the number...but you didn't care about the devastating phrase:
the new world order favors the initiated.

Freemasonic stuff on the dollars.

Ooooh, which conspiracy theory are you alluding to?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But you didn't even try to refute my claim...

There is nothing to refute.
Claims without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The verb annuo is used in the context of people.

We already agreed about that.

And as you can read here coeptus is a masculine noun meaning initiated person.

ROFL no, THAT just doesn't follow.

Is there any other conspiracy theory you are into? Or is this your one and only?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But you didn't even try to refute my claim...that is Freemasons value brotherhood and charity only towards fellow Freemasons.
He who is silent, approves.

No, you are incorrect.

I've never been interested enough in Freemasonry to do a deep dive, but my best friend from junior high was a Jobie, and I knew her father. So while I may not know a lot, I do know enough.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, you are incorrect.

I've never been interested enough in Freemasonry to do a deep dive, but my best friend from junior high was a Jobie, and I knew her father. So while I may not know a lot, I do know enough.

No Freemason has ever affirmed that they care about non-Freemasons as much as they care about fellow Freemasons.
If you know one, tell me.

 

[Estro Felino]

There is nothing to refute.
Claims without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

I remind you that in Italy there is a law forbidding secret societies.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I remind you that in Italy there is a law forbidding secret societies.

Yeah, tell it to the Cosa Nostra

Not that it matters to the point you are replying to, off course.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, tell it to the Cosa Nostra

Considering that in Sicily some mafiosi were Freemasons too...thank you for bringing CN up

Not that it matters to the point you are replying to, off course.

It does.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Considering that in Sicily some mafiosi were Freemasons too...thank you for bringing CN up

It does.

No, it doesn't. The point had nothing to do with what is and isn't legal in Italy and everything with your claims being just bare claims with no evidence offered whatsoever.

 

[Fool]

I hear that the illuminati decide who will be President is that true? I had heard from others here the Illuminati isn't real. Is it real?

the best laid plans of mice and men can never be totally immune to the butterfly effect.

 

[Stevicus]

No Freemason has ever affirmed that they care about non-Freemasons as much as they care about fellow Freemasons.
If you know one, tell me.

I've known a few Freemasons. My brother was a member of a local lodge. I don't think he's been active in it for years, though. It didn't seem too nefarious, if not a bit silly.

Although they do charity and community service work. They don't come across as horrible people. Some might see it as a club part of the "good old boys" network, and I think my brother joined mainly because he thought it could help in business and career advancement.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think my brother joined mainly because he thought it could help in business and career advancement.

But this confirms that they only help each other...