The Illusion of Maya

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps for you and me, but they are looking for their sojourn in Allah's heaven.

 

[Valjean]

Is Maya considered to be a purely personal illusion (fabrication?), or can it have a collective dimension, like a shared illusion?

LOL! The personal/collective dichotomy is part of the illusion.
There are layered, subjective "realities." "US" is just a manifestation of maya. Once the illusion is transcended; once we wake from this dream, we find there is only a single, unified consciousness that exists.

 

[Valjean]

So everything is in a state of perpetual change, including our own mind?

Within the dream things change. Once fully awake this illusion dissipates, and one experiences infinite, timeless changelessness.

 

[Howard Is]

I've been trying to work out who or what is observing these things.

Things and observation are one and the same.

 

[j1i]

No, they are not, they are an abomination if you do not remember Allah and his Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa salaam) every moment of your life. No beautification of the body for men or women. There are umpteen fatāwā all over the world and internet on that. Do you comb your hair? What is the need? You could spend that time in remembering Allah and probably gain his mercy.

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You seem to take from unofficial sources
Ornamental for ordinary women and music is not haram and I will give you links now in Arabic

If you want to take official information, take it from Muslim scholars (mecca)

The difference is that some clerics are forbidden without evidence only depends on the story? !!!
As an example
Because of the fear that beautiful arab girls are caught
Women were asked to cover their faces when traveling
Because Arabs live in areas of conflict between the Romans and Persians and many steal Arab women in the desert, you find the Arabs in a permanent travel looking for security and safety

A Bedouin with some animals live from them to drink from their milk and eat from their meat

If the girl appeared in place because of the folly of the Romans and the Persians and conflict because of force
We, the wise Arab Muslims, have destroyed both and forced them to make peace
We rested from the evil of kidnapping girls

I am proud of Islam because it frees me from writing phrases on my head and hands or worshiping objects in the earth

Islam invites me to think upward to look above the heavens
While the other religions materialist looking for God in the earth sanctify and live with him and eat with him

I feel comfortable and reassured in Islam very much
It is the religion of freedom because it frees me from worshiping the earth and what it is in. and frees me from worshiping the sun and what is around it

And free me from worshiping stars and galaxies

Islam me away where the last point a all creature reaches
He is the inevitable Allah Almighty

The most important thing in the faith is your belief in worship, not your practices
Your practice is governed by your habits

But it is ridiculous from my point of view to make a sculpture or draw sculptures and worship him

 

[Howard Is]

But it is ridiculous from my point of view to make a sculpture or draw sculptures and worship him

It is the religion of freedom because it frees me from worshiping the earth and what it is in. and frees me from worshiping the sun and what is around it

Except for this... the worship of a piece of rock.

 

[Howard Is]

those are accepted in islam
games, music, , films, poetry, novels, stories.

Then why were teenagers arrested for ‘immorality’ in Iran for singing “Happy” ?

forbidden in buhhdasim and Judaism (alcohol)

Nonsense. Only monks and nuns in Theravadin Buddhism do not drink alcohol.
The rule was part of the vinaya, the code of conduct for monks and nuns.

In old Tibet, Buddhist monks and nuns drank a lot of beer (chang).

 

[Howard Is]

Perhaps for you and me, but they are looking for their sojourn in Allah's heaven.

They will never know they didn’t get there.

Bismillah.

 

[Howard Is]

It is the religion of freedom because it frees me from worshiping the earth and what it is in. and frees me from worshiping the sun and what is around it

That is precisely why it is not the religion of freedom.

The only freedom available to you is to be what you are, where you are, while you are.
You are enslaved by ritual and hating the only world you have to live in.

Don’t tell me about “the divine world” beyond death. Absolutely unverifiable nonsense.

From my research and experience, the legend of a ‘divine world’ has its origins in real experiences under the influence of various mind altering substances found all over the world.
Some scholarship can prove that easily.

 

[Howard Is]

Within the dream things change. Once fully awake this illusion dissipates, and one experiences infinite, timeless changelessness.

In a way that is paradoxically very personal and entirely impersonal.

 

[Howard Is]

LOL! The personal/collective dichotomy is part of the illusion.
There are layered, subjective "realities." "US" is just a manifestation of maya. Once the illusion is transcended; once we wake from this dream, we find there is only a single, unified consciousness that exists.

This is rejected by materialists/objectivists who state that consciousness is a brain function.

I don’t disagree with that, in the sense that the experience of being an individual is clearly the forms of consciousness of that specific brain.

However, the notion of an objective dividing line between self and other doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. An attempt to find an objective line of demarcation between an individual and the environment is futile. There is a moment to moment exchange of substance and energy - inhalation and exhalation, absorption and excretion, behavioral interaction.

Self and other are as separate as up and down.

Therefore, all consciousness/awareness is of the whole, and manifests in and as individuals.

Acintya bedaabeda tattva - inconceivably the same and different being.

 

[Aupmanyav]

But it is ridiculous from my point of view to make a sculpture or draw sculptures and worship him

Talking of things ridiculous, trying to touch or kiss a broken stone, or throwing stones at pillars also is ridiculous.

They will never know they didn’t get there.
Bismillah.

Bismillah does not really fit in here. If you were to say that, it should have been said first.
Perhaps they do go there. God or Allah's heaven is six feet below the earth's surface.

Self and other are as separate as up and down.
Acintya bedaabeda tattva - inconceivably the same and different being.

That was in the beginning of 16th Century (I am referring to Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu), inconceivable. Now we know better. Points of energy.

 

[Howard Is]

That was in the beginning of 16th Century (I am referring to Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu), inconceivable. Now we know better. Points of energy.

I don’t think so.
Points are mathematical abstractions.
Is there an actual centre of a circle ?
Is there even a circle ?

Reality is pointless

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are right. Perhaps it is a wave. Perhaps it is both (in various perspectives). What is a point is a wave, and what is a wave is a point. Inconceivable.

 

[Howard Is]

You are right. Perhaps it is a wave. Perhaps it is both (in various perspectives). What is a point is a wave, and what is a wave is a point. In conceivable.

Indeed. On that point, or wave , quantum physics and Chaitanya agree....bedaabeda.

 

[Jedster]

Indeed. It's like there is a stillness beneath the movement, a different kind of knowing... Or something! Fascinating stuff.

Yes, just like the centre(eye) of a cyclone.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Except for this... the worship of a piece of rock.

There are other things as well. Giving a divine status to a book (compiled so many years later when all other versions were destroyed) also is not very wise. Then, you have to take it for granted.

 

[Valjean]

This is rejected by materialists/objectivists who state that consciousness is a brain function.

Clearly the brain does mediate consciousness, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the brain creates consciousness, any more than a radio creates its broadcasts.

It's just a receiver that taps in to and focuses a field of radio waves/consciousness it's immersed in.

 

[Martin]

Yes, just like the centre(eye) of a cyclone.

Yes, I've come across that analogy before.

 

[j1i]

That is precisely why it is not the religion of freedom.

The only freedom available to you is to be what you are, where you are, while you are.
You are enslaved by ritual and hating the only world you have to live in.

Don’t tell me about “the divine world” beyond death. Absolutely unverifiable nonsense.

From my research and experience, the legend of a ‘divine world’ has its origins in real experiences under the influence of various mind altering substances found all over the world.
Some scholarship can prove that easily.

Muslims do not worship stones or rocks (Kaaba)
They worship God but pass through this corner because it is the first house set to worship God
I mean if I worship the Kaaba, GOD will enter me to hell and God will punish me
Music Halal 100%
Islam puts advice as guidance as any official
And many do not adhere to and break it
Only an ethical observer of values provides advice (spiritual counseling)
What is happening in Iran is a military coup and a military leadership, not an Islamic one
Is an Islamic mantle
I do not care about the teachings of Islam and the way it is practiced because I do not adhere to it completely
What I care about is believing in God properly away from tricks and tricks

MAY I am invincible and Islam is invincible

I don't want to go back to slavery
Worship statues and creatures and put symbols on my body
I am free and free doing what I want, and contact with God directly
I don't need Muhammad, Moses, Abraham, Jesus, Buddha or Krishna
I only need God
Notice how I am invincible