The Impregnation of Virgin Mary by The Devil

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

I apologize if Christians are offended. This was just a hypothetical scenario.

Hey pal, no need to apologise, Dan Brown has made a fortune out of stuff like this. Take his example and throw in a few random facts and it may go viral! (Please note that should you choose to follow my advice and make a whole load of money out of this thing, a 50% royalty will be payable to Holy Bottom Burp Inc. I have lawyers standing by!).

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

... informing him is the right thing to do.

Your opinion might sway someone, maybe... sure. So that's really the only reason to say anything at all. But you aren't "right" in doing so. Anyone is free to say/write/express anything and any idea in all of of the possible ideas in all of the universe and there is nothing anyone (not even "God") can do about it. Nothing. You could lock him up... berate him, admonish his behavior, punish his behavior... but did any of that stop the actual words from being said? Stop the idea from being formed? Could it ever?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

@PatrickLeo , so this thread is all about you promoting your "book"?

 

[Repox]

What if Virgin Mary was visited by a Spirit? No, not a Holy Spirit. But by an unholy spirit? The most unholy of all Spirits, The Devil?

I am writing a book on it, and in the process of publishing it on amazon. If they reject it, then i will publish it on archive.org and free ebooks sites.

If amazon rejects it, i will post the text here.

What if there is no virgin Mary? What if it was made up as part of son of God stories. If you do scholarly research, you won't find documented historical references for Mary. Assuming Jesus was God and not the son of God, stories would be different. If you research prior gospel, those which survived the Catholic purge, they don't have "four gospel" Jesus stories, just Jesus sayings.

 

[Kemosloby]

Your opinion might sway someone, maybe... sure. So that's really the only reason to say anything at all. But you aren't "right" in doing so. Anyone is free to say/write/express anything and any idea in all of of the possible ideas in all of the universe and there is nothing anyone (not even "God") can do about it. Nothing. You could lock him up... berate him, admonish his behavior, punish his behavior... but did any of that stop the actual words from being said? Stop the idea from being formed? Could it ever?

There are lots of reasons to say something, sometime multiple reasons. Sometimes just for fun. Something like this:

Root Root Root for the Hellfire,
Buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jacks,
I don't care if he ever comes back. hahaha

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

There are lots of reasons to say something, sometime multiple reasons. Sometimes just for fun. Something like this:

Root Root Root for the Hellfire,
Buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jacks,
I don't care if he ever comes back. hahaha

Your point is the same as my point. And what came of anyone saying any of it? God's judgment? Do you honestly believe that God will judge our words regardless the actual effect of those words? What is the actual effect of anyone defaming Mary, or saying that the devil helped spawn Jesus? What actually happens to anyone or to any part of the world? Did you get your poor widdle feewings hurt? And... ?

Why do you think what we humans feel that the most liberated cultures include freedom of speech in their charters? Do you think God would not hold to that same, upstanding principle? Do you think God, if He loves us at all, would not respect our desire to hold on to such a principle? Does God get His poor widdle feewings hurt by words, do you think?

 

[Kemosloby]

Your point is the same as my point. And what came of anyone saying any of it? God's judgment? Do you honestly believe that God will judge our words regardless the actual effect of those words? What is the actual effect of anyone defaming Mary, or saying that the devil helped spawn Jesus? What actually happens to anyone or to any part of the world? Did you get your poor widdle feewings hurt? And... ?

Why do you think what we humans feel that the most liberated cultures include freedom of speech in their charters? Do you think God would not hold to that same, upstanding principle? Do you think God, if He loves us at all, would not respect our desire to hold on to such a principle? Does God get His poor widdle feewings hurt by words, do you think?

Oh yes, God will judge us by our words. "It's not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him, what comes out of it, this defiles a man"

Matt 15:11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."

Taming the Tongue
…In the same way, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it boasts of great things. Consider how small a spark sets a great forest on fire. The tongue also is a fire, a world of wickedness among the parts of the body. It pollutes the whole person, sets the course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

Matt 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Oh yes, God will judge us by our words. "It's not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him, what comes out of it, this defiles a man"

Matt 15:11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."

Taming the Tongue
…In the same way, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it boasts of great things. Consider how small a spark sets a great forest on fire. The tongue also is a fire, a world of wickedness among the parts of the body. It pollutes the whole person, sets the course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

Matt 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

This isn't proof... this is writing in a book. And as for the particular book you are quoting, you would probably not believe how very little I care what that book has to say on much of anything.

Back to the real question (I know it is hard to answer without putting God or your beliefs in a bad light, but please bear with me and try here) - why would man grip so tightly to "freedom of speech" as an idea espoused to liberty/freedom, and yet you seem to be saying that God wishes this freedom to be curbed? If this is true, then I would have to believe that God does not respect the freedom of man. I am not arguing that He should... however this lack of respect for something I hold very sacred (my freedom) would make me very inclined to lose respect for God.

 

[Kemosloby]

This isn't proof... this is writing in a book. And as for the particular book you are quoting, you would probably not believe how very little I care what that book has to say on much of anything.

Back to the real question (I know it is hard to answer without putting God or your beliefs in a bad light, but please bear with me and try here) - why would man grip so tightly to "freedom of speech" as an idea espoused to liberty/freedom, and yet you seem to be saying that God wishes this freedom to be curbed? If this is true, then I would have to believe that God does not respect the freedom of man. I am not arguing that He should... however this lack of respect for something I hold very sacred (my freedom) would make me very inclined to lose respect for God.

The original concept of freedom was founded on biblical principal. Freedom is for good people, meant for a righteous society, not as a license for immorality. And that is how Gods freedom works, the righteous are set free and the wicked go to hell.

 

[Repox]

This isn't proof... this is writing in a book. And as for the particular book you are quoting, you would probably not believe how very little I care what that book has to say on much of anything.

Back to the real question (I know it is hard to answer without putting God or your beliefs in a bad light, but please bear with me and try here) - why would man grip so tightly to "freedom of speech" as an idea espoused to liberty/freedom, and yet you seem to be saying that God wishes this freedom to be curbed? If this is true, then I would have to believe that God does not respect the freedom of man. I am not arguing that He should... however this lack of respect for something I hold very sacred (my freedom) would make me very inclined to lose respect for God.

I propose God is very concerned about "human freedom." It is God's most important issue for humans. Assuming humans prefer independence to obedience to God, "there is no salvation." It stems from Satan's rebellion in heaven. Satan sought freedom and, subsequently, after attempting to take over heaven by declaring himself a god, he was expelled. Evidently, there is no place in heaven for independent creatures.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I propose God is very concerned about "human freedom." It is God's most important issue for humans. Assuming humans prefer independence to obedience to God, "there is no salvation." It stems from Satan's rebellion in heaven. Satan sought freedom and, subsequently, after attempting to take over heaven by declaring himself a god, he was expelled. Evidently, there is no place in heaven for independent creatures.

Then it's to hell I go, I suppose - or at least my "soul" - whatever that is. Presuming I am this "soul", I wouldn't go gladly, obviously... but you also wouldn't hear me protest. Of what use would such protest be? God apparently wouldn't care to hear it, nor would it sway Him in any way - He apparently lacks compassion for whatever a "soul" is once a person has progressed to the point that they are a "soul". He would also have to realize that, for me, it couldn't have been any other way.

Of course... this is all supposing He exists... which is something I simply do not do.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The original concept of freedom was founded on biblical principal. Freedom is for good people, meant for a righteous society, not as a license for immorality. And that is how Gods freedom works, the righteous are set free and the wicked go to hell.

You have to understand why I marked your reply funny... "freedom" has been around long before The Bible was written, and long before any human was first brought evidence of "God." The simple fact that you would consider God Himself "free", I am sure, is proof of that, but even if Adam were the first human "created" by God, the moment of his conception would have marked the first moment that a human was "free" in God's estimation - or maybe Eve, who at least had enough "free will" to choose the apple. Oh... and The Bible didn't exist for Adam and Eve, of which I am sure you are aware.

And do you think I, personally, use "freedom" as a shield for immoral acts? Do you suppose that I lack my own code of morals? You would suppose incorrectly. My code simply doesn't consider use of words "wrong" when the target is nothing and no one - when no one is hurt by them, and nothing at all results from the use of those words. God is not a target that can be affected by personally-targeted negative words - not at all. And if He exists, and He can be hurt by words, and I am mistaken, then He is even more of a joke than I would have ever previously expected.

Finally, to my mind, it is the so-called "righteous" who have constructed their own traps, and who are the least free of the people I see before me day-to-day. As for the "wicked" going to "hell" - I can't speak for "the wicked", as I don't believe myself one of them (nor do I need to), and I very easily and with no hesitation deny the existence of hell. You can think what you like of me, until you try and physically affect me under the umbrella of your beliefs, your words have no effect, except to get me to reply with my own words. I believe wholeheartedly that you are free to speak as you like, as am I. You're free to think that God thinks differently on the matter, I don't care. Simply put, He can't affect me.

 

[Kemosloby]

You have to understand why I marked your reply funny... "freedom" has been around long before The Bible was written, and long before any human was first brought evidence of "God." The simple fact that you would consider God Himself "free", I am sure, is proof of that, but even if Adam were the first human "created" by God, the moment of his conception would have marked the first moment that a human was "free" in God's estimation - or maybe Eve, who at least had enough "free will" to choose the apple. Oh... and The Bible didn't exist for Adam and Eve, of which I am sure you are aware.

And do you think I, personally, use "freedom" as a shield for immoral acts? Do you suppose that I lack my own code of morals? You would suppose incorrectly. My code simply doesn't consider use of words "wrong" when the target is nothing and no one - when no one is hurt by them, and nothing at all results from the use of those words. God is not a target that can be affected by personally-targeted negative words - not at all. And if He exists, and He can be hurt by words, and I am mistaken, then He is even more of a joke than I would have ever previously expected.

Finally, to my mind, it is the so-called "righteous" who have constructed their own traps, and who are the least free of the people I see before me day-to-day. As for the "wicked" going to "hell" - I can't speak for "the wicked", as I don't believe myself one of them (nor do I need to), and I very easily and with no hesitation deny the existence of hell. You can think what you like of me, until you try and physically affect me under the umbrella of your beliefs, your words have no effect, except to get me to reply with my own words. I believe wholeheartedly that you are free to speak as you like, as am I. You're free to think that God thinks differently on the matter, I don't care. Simply put, He can't affect me.

Well I didn't go into detail explaining freedom. But freedom in this world is a farce, more a feel good term than a reality. If we are so free why do we have laws, more laws than anyone can remember? American "freedom" was modeled after biblical freedom but does not work in reality since people are corrupted with sin. The real freedom comes after the resurrection when the righteous become heirs to the kingdom of God, resurrected into an imperishable body.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Well I didn't go into detail explaining freedom. But freedom in this world is a farce, more a feel good term than a reality. If we are so free why do we have laws, more laws than anyone can remember? American "freedom" was modeled after biblical freedom but does not work in reality since people are corrupted with sin. The real freedom comes after the resurrection when the righteous become heirs to the kingdom of God, resurrected into an imperishable body.

Unless someone revokes them, there are certain things you have rights to or freedom to do at any given moment. Freedom to speak/communicate is one of them. That someone can attempt to revoke your freedoms makes you no less inherently free. If no one else were around, would you feel as if you were still bound to all those laws you speak of? No, you wouldn't. Which makes those laws much more of a farce than the freedoms those laws attempt to curtail. The laws are the things that have no meaning unless we ascribe meaning to them - they don't exist without our fabricating them. The freedoms are there, no matter what, unless someone forcibly takes them away.

 

[Quagmire]

I am posting it again.

Feel free to be offended.


The Impregnation of
Virgin Mary by The Devil
Written By
The Devil

© The Devil 666
Year 1999 AD


Preface


What if Virgin Mary was visited by a Spirit? No, not a Holy Spirit. But by an unholy spirit? The most unholy of all Spirits, The Devil, me?


The narrative


In the sixth month, Satan sent his angel Gadriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The Satanic angel went to her and said, 'Greetings, you who are highly favoured! The Lord Satan is with you.'


Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, 'Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favour with our Lord Satan. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most Unclean. The Lord Satan will give him the throne of his father Ab Satan, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.'


'How will this be,' Mary asked the angel, 'since I am a virgin?'




The angel answered, 'The UnHoly Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most Unclean will overshadow you. So the Unholy one to be born will be called the Son of God (Satan). Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with Satan.'


'I am the Lord's servant,' Mary answered. 'May it be to me as you have said.' Then the angel left her.


Luke 1:26-38




This is how the birth of Jesus the Unholy Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Unholy Spirit.


Matthew 1:18



1999-666-666-666

= Year 1 AD


The Birth of Jesus

Son of Satan



Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?

Isaiah 14:12: “How you have risen to heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been risen above The Most High, you who will once again lay low the nations!”


Revelation 22:16: “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of Satan, the bright Morning Star.”


God is the father of all spirits (Hebrews 12:9)


These spirits include all humans, as well as angels, demons (including Satan), and Jesus Christ.


You belong to my father, The Devil, and you want to carry out my father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies, me.


The Devil is within us all.

Tell free to find another forum.