The Inexplicable Success of Capitalist Indoctrination

[Revoltingest]

Capitalism needs people to have money. People needs jobs to have money. Robots are taking those jobs amd eventually will replace most of us.

There's plenty'o money.
Menards just got a lot of mine.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Then why did you feel the need to bring the (american) constitution (which you didn't even the feel the need to specify) to this conversation?

It is a good example of a document that supports individual freedom.

 

[MikeF]

Why is it always americans thinking of their country as the center of the universe?

It is not so much the center of *the* universe as it is the center of *their* universe, and rightly so as it is the country of which they are a member, the one that they are most familiar with, and that most intimately impacts their everyday life. Realistically, this is probably true for those in other countries as relates to their own country.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There's plenty'o money.
Menards just got a lot of mine.

This is now. But in 20 years how many of those positions currently filled by humans will be filled by robots?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is it always americans thinking of their country as the center of the universe?

A lot of Japanese still view everything as revolving around Japan.
Honestly I'm surprised the two countries get along. Not over the war, but the monstrous ego both countries have.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is now. But in 20 years how many of those positions currently filled by humans will be filled by robots?

I hope to still be here in 20 years to say....
Neener neener neeeener!
I told you so!

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

This is now. But in 20 years how many of those positions currently filled by humans will be filled by robots?

History is full of obsolete jobs such as pinsetters, elevator operators, ice cutters, switchboard operators but we have plenty of other jobs now. Why do you think these jobs will go away and no other jobs will be created?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

History is full of obsolete jobs such as pinsetters, elevator operators, ice cutters, switchboard operators but we have plenty of other jobs now. Why do you think these jobs will go away and no other jobs will be created?

It's the reality that robots can do things better md cheaper than we can. Most job are going to be replaced by robots, amd new positions as well will see a robotic workforce.

 

[Koldo]

I was sorely tempted to just ignore this post. The term or phrase "low income" does not refer any income level lower than some other, it specifically refers to being lower than some socially agreed minimum standard.

I meant that the existence of many high income individuals precludes the possibility of everyone having ample access to a good quality of life because the bar for what constitutes what is the socially agreed minimum standard is going to keep increasing.

 

[Koldo]

It is a good example of a document that supports individual freedom.

Therefore...?

 

[Koldo]

It is not so much the center of *the* universe as it is the center of *their* universe, and rightly so as it is the country of which they are a member, the one that they are most familiar with, and that most intimately impacts their everyday life. Realistically, this is probably true for those in other countries as relates to their own country.

And yet, you will have a very hard time finding a non-american doing the same.

 

[Koldo]

History is full of obsolete jobs such as pinsetters, elevator operators, ice cutters, switchboard operators but we have plenty of other jobs now. Why do you think these jobs will go away and no other jobs will be created?

It is different this time. First, because a lot of different jobs will be affected at the same time (or close enough). Since you are american, I am going to give you US stats: There are 3 million truck drivers. That's just one job. Add up all the others... Second, because this time around it also involves jobs that require either a degree or lots of training to be done properly. There might not be enough time to adjust for this if the government only starts acting once the problem shows up.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Therefore...?

???

 

[MikeF]

I meant that the existence of many high income individuals precludes the possibility of everyone having ample access to a good quality of life because the bar for what constitutes what is the socially agreed minimum standard is going to keep increasing.

As long as we continue to meet the bar, that minimum yet adequate and acceptable standard, I fail to see the problem. Many programs have cost-of-living increases or benchmarks that adjust to inflation.

That the very wealth have high-rise condos in at least 3 major cities and an infinity pool and tennis courts on their main estate does not mean that that will become the expected standard for all.

 

[MikeF]

And yet, you will have a very hard time finding a non-american doing the same.

What do non-Americans see as the center of their universe?

 

[exchemist]

This is ridiculous. They pay taxes for these services just like you do. No one is forcing anyone to buy useless products, that is on the consumer, Also, the rich benefit society too in paying most of the taxes, creating jobs and wealth for others.

That is not how it works. They pay for streets, police , fire departments etc. just like everyone else, charging them more is unfair.

Well if they pay most of the taxes, as you say, that is how it should be.

 

[Koldo]

As long as we continue to meet the bar, that minimum yet adequate and acceptable standard, I fail to see the problem. Many programs have cost-of-living increases or benchmarks that adjust to inflation.

But what's plan of action to always keep meeting the bar? Do you consider the bar to be met currently?

That the very wealth have high-rise condos in at least 3 major cities and an infinity pool and tennis courts on their main estate does not mean that that will become the expected standard for all.

I don't think that will ever become the standard either. A more down-to-earth example: Phones, at least one car per household, air conditioners in every bedroom, private health insurance, and private schooling are socially understood as the minimum bar for a good quality of life nowadays here in Brazil, but this was not the case 40 years ago. This does mean that life got a lot more expensive. And there is no sign of the bar ever decreasing.

 

[Koldo]

What do non-Americans see as the center of their universe?

Who knows? They are not as explicit as (some) americans...

 

[Valjean]

Well if they pay most of the taxes, as you say, that is how it should be.

But if their adjusted corporate tax rates amount to a fraction of their employees', the benefit would be be going to the group that least needs them.

 

[Revoltingest]

But if their adjusted corporate tax rates amount to a fraction of their employees', the benefit would be be going to the group that least needs them.

Note that low corporate tax rates are augmented
by double taxation, ie, after paying tax on profits,
that money is taxed again when stockholders
receive dividends.