The Insignificance of Humanity

[Skwim]

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OR looked at another way.

The point being, god's claimed concern for an extremely, EXTREMELY minor, and extremely, EXTREMELY short lived creature in his extremely, EXTREMELY vast universe just doesn't seem at all rational.

Does it to you?

Moreover, according to Genesis 1:4, none of these1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 billion trillion) stars in the observable universe existed until the fourth day, after the Earth had been created, when "God made the two large lights. He made the larger light to rule during the day and the smaller light to rule during the night. He also made the stars."

And a billion trillion of them no less! Why?

Sound reasonable to you?

In my opinion, our EXTREMELY insignificant place in the universe simply doesn't merit the attention the Bible claims god gives it.


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[Tumah]

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OR looked at another way.

The point being, god's claimed concern for an extremely, EXTREMELY minor, and extremely, EXTREMELY short lived creature in his extremely, EXTREMELY vast universe just doesn't seem at all rational.

Does it to you?

Moreover, according to Genesis 1:4, none of these1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 billion trillion) stars in the observable universe existed until the fourth day, after the Earth had been created, when "God made the two large lights. He made the larger light to rule during the day and the smaller light to rule during the night. He also made the stars."

And a billion trillion of them no less! Why?

Sound reasonable to you?

Alternatively you could say, look how important humans are that He created an entire vast universe, just to be able to give them a beautiful starry sky.

In my opinion, our EXTREMELY insignificant place in the universe simply doesn't merit the attention the Bible claims god gives it.

For an infinite G-d, this wouldn't follow. Any finite creation no matter the size would always be infinitely lesser than an infinite G-d and would therefore always be of similar significance in that respect.

 

[Skwim]

Alternatively you could say, look how important humans are that He created an entire vast universe, just to be able to give them a beautiful starry sky.

IF we could see all the stars from where we sit, but we can't. All but an extremely few are simply too far away. In fact, only those in our own galaxy are observable, and there are estimated to be over 100 billion galaxies in the universe. Creating them just for us would have been a huge waste.

For an infinite G-d, this wouldn't follow. Any finite creation no matter the size would always be infinitely lesser than an infinite G-d and would therefore always be of similar significance in that respect.

Not arguing the point at all. Only addressing the nature of the beast: the incredibly vast universe, and our place in it.


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[Tumah]

IF we could see all the stars from where we sit, but we can't. All but an extremely few are simply too far away. In fact, only those in our own galaxy are observable, and there are estimated to be over 100 billion galaxies in the universe. Creating them just for us would have been a huge waste.

Not at all. Seeing pictures like the ones you show gives me an even greater appreciation for my importance in G-d's eyes than anything anyone could have understood 1,000 years ago. They didn't even realize just how much G-d had created, for them!

Not arguing the point at all. Only addressing the nature of the beast: the incredibly vast universe, and our place in it..

I guess I was just addressing your beast then.

 

[Skwim]

Not at all. Seeing pictures like the ones you show gives me an even greater appreciation for my importance in G-d's eyes than anything anyone could have understood 1,000 years ago. They didn't even realize just how much G-d had created, for them!

In other words, god created the billions of galaxies and trillions of stars in the rest of the universe because. . . . . . . . . you might appreciate your importance in his eyes? Sounds like ...................................well, never mind.

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[Tumah]

In other words, god created the billions of galaxies and trillions of stars in the rest of the universe because. . . . . . . . . you might appreciate your importance in his eyes? Sounds like ...................................well, never mind.

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Sure. Its a really nice feeling.

 

[savagewind]

I do not think the universe was made for humans, but humanity is not insignificant.
I read you saying; humanity, not worth considering. How can anyone say that?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

These are my two favorite 'humblizers'.

Those radio waves have been racing outward from our Sol star system at the speed of light for more than 95 years now.

And then there's this....

The only problem with this video is that since it expands at a base 10 exponential rate, many who don't understand junior high school math might think the visible universe isn't all that big.

 

[Quintessence]

Significance is always a matter of opinion. You're forgetting the other half of the spatial equation - going smaller. I get that most of you humans don't think the ecosystem inside your intestines is important, but you die without it, and that ecosystem utterly depends on you for its existence.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We are just a speck in the universes and galaxies out there. To think we are special in regards to a creator existing outside of is unrealistic. Why would we consider ourselves the center of the universe? We are not special.

 

[Skwim]

I do not think the universe was made for humans, but humanity is not insignificant.

Not to humans anyway.

I read you saying; humanity, not worth considering. How can anyone say that?

If you reread what I've said you'll see I told Tumah, I'm only addressing the nature of the beast: the incredibly vast universe, and our very, very, very small place in it. And question why god would care about us.
In my opinion, our EXTREMELY insignificant place in the universe simply doesn't merit the attention the Bible claims god gives it.


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[Deathbydefault]

Makes you wonder if we will be able to reach a sort of pinnacle down the line of the many, many years to come.
That is to say, if we are basically akin to the bacteria of our universe now, what will we be in the future if given enough time?

I agree that we are insignificant, I also think this could use a less subjective wording, like so:
We are utterly small and seemingly unremarkable beings with extraordinarily little impact in our solar system, let alone our universe.

 

[savagewind]

Not to humans anyway.

If you reread what I've said you'll see I told Tumah, I'm only addressing the nature of the beast: the incredibly vast universe, and our very, very, very small place in it. And question why god would care about us.
In my opinion, our EXTREMELY insignificant place in the universe simply doesn't merit the attention the Bible claims god gives it.


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I think God is not about giving our place any attention. I think it is life that God is interested in.

 

[Milton Platt]

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OR looked at another way.

The point being, god's claimed concern for an extremely, EXTREMELY minor, and extremely, EXTREMELY short lived creature in his extremely, EXTREMELY vast universe just doesn't seem at all rational.

Does it to you?

Moreover, according to Genesis 1:4, none of these1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 billion trillion) stars in the observable universe existed until the fourth day, after the Earth had been created, when "God made the two large lights. He made the larger light to rule during the day and the smaller light to rule during the night. He also made the stars."

And a billion trillion of them no less! Why?

Sound reasonable to you?

In my opinion, our EXTREMELY insignificant place in the universe simply doesn't merit the attention the Bible claims god gives it.


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I'm on board with that.....

 

[Skwim]

I think God is not about giving our place any attention. I think it is life that God is interested in.

Perhaps, but special interest in one species among millions on a planet orbiting one star among a billion trillion in his vast playground? To me that's one heck of an egotistical stretch.


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[savagewind]

Perhaps, but special interest in one species among millions on a planet orbiting one star among a billion trillion in his vast playground? To me that's one heck of an egotistical stretch.


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Can you read my post again, please.

 

[Skwim]

Can you read my post again, please.

Sure. Your post:

"I think God is not about giving our place any attention. I think it is life that God is interested in."
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Sentence #1 "I think God is not about giving our place any attention." This reads as a description/definition of god. God is an entity that doesn't pay "our place" in the universe any attention. That is, he doesn't care about us. Or something of the sort. Your statement here isn't all that clear.

Sentence #2 "I think it is life that God is interested in." Aside from your thought that is unsupported by any reasoning, for arguments sake I can go along with this and agree that perhaps this is what god is interested in: life in the universe; however, it certainly doesn't preclude his interest in anything else. That said, in the context of the thread; the incredible vastness of the universe and the claim by Christians that god has a special interest humans, I fail to see it as a reasonable conclusion.

Question: Why do you think god is more interested in life---life on earth? Human life? ---than anything else? If this is what you're saying.
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[savagewind]

Sure. Your post:

"I think God is not about giving our place any attention. I think it is life that God is interested in."
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Sentence #1 "I think God is not about giving our place any attention." This reads as a description/definition of god. God is an entity that doesn't pay "our place" in the universe any attention. That is, he doesn't care about us. Or something of the sort. Your statement here isn't all that clear.

Sentence #2 "I think it is life that God is interested in." Aside from your thought that is unsupported by any reasoning, for arguments sake I can go along with this and agree that perhaps this is what god is interested in: life in the universe; however, it certainly doesn't preclude his interest in anything else. That said, in the context of the thread; the incredible vastness of the universe and the claim by Christians that god has a special interest humans, I fail to see it as a reasonable conclusion.

Question: Why do you think god is more interested in life---life on earth? Human life? ---than anything else? If this is what you're saying.
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You seemed to assume I meant human life. I didn't say human life. I believe God is interested only in life, all of it. Why would God be interested in the stuff of the universe? Rocks? LOL

 

[Skwim]

You seemed to assume I meant human life.

No I didn't, which is why I put a question mark after "human" when I put the word between dashes.

I believe God is interested only in life, all of it. Why would God be interested in the stuff of the universe? Rocks? LOL

Why do you think he would be interested in any life at all? LOL


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[savagewind]

No I didn't, which is why I put a question mark after "human" when I put the word between dashes.

Why do you think he would be interested in any life at all? LOL


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It is because I believe Jesus is the son of God.