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The Jesus myth...

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Kcnorwood

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blueman said:
- The growth of Christianity and how it spread all through Rome (a pagan nation) during a short period of time after the death of Christ

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You would convert too if they threated to kill you & those you love. As far as the rest of your post do you know anyone whose takled to any of those people?
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logician

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"And the reasons he gave are valid, exactly how valid is up for debate, but enough to make it very improbable that Jesus didn't exist from a historical standpoint."

I''m saying it's virtually certain a man fitting the Biblical story of Jesus never existed. Other "jesus's of that time don't count.
 
McBell

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blueman said:
This is one of the most over used and worn out arguments regarding Jesus and when you weigh the historical evidence, very weak in scope. There are more scholars today (both apologetic and skeptics) that will acknowledge the existence of Jesus and many of the facts surrounding his life, death and resurrection. The basis for rebuttal of the Jesus myth is the following:

- Historicity as depicted in the New Testament Gospels and Epistles (written within a 15 to 60-year period after the cruxifiction of Christ)

- Nonbiblical sources (Tacitus, Josephus and Lucien among others) Jewish Talmud referring to Jesus as a sorcerer and suggesting that the disciples stole the body from the tomb

- Opposition towards Christianity (Saul of Tarsus, Jesus' own brother James and other family members)

- Evidence (biblical and secular) supporting the cruxifiction of Jesus during the reign of the emperor Tiberius

- The empty tomb

- Historical evidence of Jesus' appearance to over 500 people three days after his death (1 Corinthians 15 (early church oral creed within a few years after Christ' death)

- The subsequent conversion of thousands of Jews to Christianity (including Saul of Tarsus (Paul) and James

- The courage of the disciples and other Christians to maintain conviction of the resurrection of Christ being a bonified fact even to the point of martydom)

- Old Testament biblical prophecy written approximately 750 years prior to Jesus' birth (Isaiah, Psalms, Daniel, Jerimiah, Micah, etc.)

- The embarrasing content reflected in the Gospels (the woman found the empty tomb, James, Jesus' brother and other family members thought he was crazy during his ministry)

- Jesus' and Christianity's impact on music, literature, education, humanitarism and art over the course of history

- The growth of Christianity and how it spread all through Rome (a pagan nation) during a short period of time after the death of Christ

And so on and so on.................................... The mythical argument regarding Jesus is old and outdated and most importantly, does not stand on it's own merit when weighed against the evidence.
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Would you now please be so kind as to present even one specific reference to Jesus that does not use the Scriptures the Bible is based upon as it's source?
 
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Mestemia said:
Would you now please be so kind as to present even one specific reference to Jesus that does not use the Scriptures the Bible is based upon as it's source?
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Perhaps you're asking the wrong question. There are plenty of Christian traditions about Jesus that parallel or closely relate to the myths and historical information about Jesus in the Gospels that do not have for their source the canonical Scriptures. Some of these traditions are either earlier or later than the traditions which later made it into the Bible.

Here's one of many...

The Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Mestemia said:
please.
How can someone who was not born until AFTER the death of Jesus have witnessed Jesus? Nice try.
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What a slimy little maneuver that was! You asked:
Would you now please be so kind as to present even one specific reference to Jesus that does not use the Scriptures the Bible is based upon as it's source?​
I answered. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
McBell

McBell

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Jay said:
What a slimy little maneuver that was! You asked:
Would you now please be so kind as to present even one specific reference to Jesus that does not use the Scriptures the Bible is based upon as it's source?​
I answered. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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sadly, you presented nothing but a name.
So much for the word "specific"
How embarrassing that you think it to be an adequate answer.
Or perhaps you already know that it is not an adequate answer?
Nor is it a correct answer.
How embarrassing for you to be so rude over a wrong answer.

Since you are more concerned with being rude that actually answering the question, I will withdraw the question.
 
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