The Ka'aba - an ancient Hindu Temple?

[Pax]

This is a very interesting article suggesting that the Ka'aba was originally a Hindu temple which was taken over by the Arabs and Muslims. If it is true, then it blows Islam completely out of the water, because the Muslims claim it was a "pagan Shrine.

Keep in mind that, when we look at Mphammed historically, we can raise serious questions concerning his prophethood, his morality, and even his very existence. It is possible that "Mohammed" was merely a Big-Brother like figurehead, concocted by tribal leaders - this could be the reason why nobody was allowed to draw "Muhammad" later on: because he never really existed, nobody really knew what he looked like. Reliable evidence suggests that not only is the Quran a human product, but it was not even written by Muhammad. Scientists say that the Koran is a not a product of Mohammed or even of Arabia, but a collection of materials stitched together to meet the needs of a later age.

Kaaba a Hindu Temple?

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
By P.N. Oak (Historian)

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

Here is another article detailing ideas "stolen" by Muslims from Hinduism:

KAABA A HINDU TEMPLE TAKEN OVER BY MUSLIMS

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Wouldn't surprise me Pax. The Sanatan dharma did spread over most of the ancient known world. Wouldn't surprise me if it influenced Kemetic belief either.

 

[301ouncer]

Kaaba a Hindu Temple?


Here is another article detailing ideas "stolen" by Muslims from Hinduism:

KAABA A HINDU TEMPLE TAKEN OVER BY MUSLIMS

Idol worship was the usual after every few hunderds of years and after each messenger was sent by the creator.

Satan would wait after a prelonged period of time. Afterwards he would use his blueprint wispering to incite people to build statues to camemorate the rightouse people that were among but died. The the childeren of those nations started to use them as a way to bring them closer to the creator who sent these rightous people in the first place.

Just as was done in the time of Noah pbuh.

The same thing happend with makkah and arabia. Abraham was the first messenger to travel the lands to remove idols and statue worship as it was narrated by the NT, OT and Quran. Abraham and his son Ismeal pbut both rebuilt the Kabbah and cleansed them of these Idols and statues of the pagans.

After the departure of Abraham of few hundereds of years the makkan with the help of their Forefather Kadir and satan. Mr. Kadir went onto a trip to syria area on a merchant trip. He saw a new product in the market place that the masses buying with open hands. He thought to himself what a good idea. Let me bring some of these statues and idols to makka and make a handsome profit.

Slowly but surely more and more statues started to arrive from trade trips to syria, india and africa. By the end of it the Kabba was filled with some 360 idols of varying sizes.

The creator sent a judgement and said enough is enough. My house will be cleansed of this filth. So Muhammed pbuh was sent to take down all of these statues and idols and the secular satanica system with it too.

And it was done.

And everyone lived ever happily ever after.

Today after few hunderds of years after the departure of Muhammed pbuh we have new types of statues. Satan knew he trick was up so he had to think of other ways to bring new idols and statues into the scene.

Today the new idols are that of:

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

No one doubts that the Ka'aba dates from pre Islamic time. The fact that it was originally a Hindu temple wouldn't surprise me. And I don't see how that fact would challenge any thing in Islam. I mean, Hinduism is just another kind of paganism as far as Muslims are concerned. Plus, how much can you really trust the blog of a Krishna follower to give you fair and unbiased information regarding Islam? It's kind of interesting, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

301 Ouncer gee what a beautiful and over-dramaticized version of events. Except you forget to mention Muslims have done this as well throughout certain periods, venerated certain Imams and Sheikhs. That's why the tomb of Muhammad and Imam Ali is inside of a big temple right? LOL

 

[Tanuki]

People will come out with any trash to attack Islam.

What is it that you are all so scared of, that daily on this forum, someone comes out with a thread to bash it?

It's weird the longer you are on this forum you get to see who the 'usual suspects' are and wonder what they are going to say about the faith each day. And if it's not an independent thread then they just add their hate to another one. Hilarious.

 

[Valjean]

Don't get your panties in a bunch, Tanuki.
Pax apparently thinks Pagan does not include Hindu.

Islam says it was a pagan shrine. Hinduism was as pagan as any other foreign religion. Where's the problem?

 

[Tanuki]

I don't have to give you a convincing argument, as it's clear from this and other posts you have put your name to that you are against Islam, for what reason I don't know. But I suppose we all need a bogeyman.

 

[Pax]

Don't get your panties in a bunch, Tanuki.
Pax apparently thinks Pagan does not include Hindu.

Islam says it was a pagan shrine. Hinduism was as pagan as any other foreign religion. Where's the problem?

Muslims specifically believed that "Arab gods and goddesses" were worshipped in the Kaaba before Mohammed slaughtered the pagans and enforced his religion. Although it is quite possible they worshipped a combination of Hindu and Muslim deities.

Regardless, one of the Arab deities, the moon god was renamed "Allah" and made the supreme deity, who is worshipped to this day. Perhaps Mohammed (if he existed at all) did rid the Kaaba of all gods, except the one called Allah. "Allah" also happened to be the patron deity of Mohammed's family, by the way, so it was also a political act.

Curiously, from a cultural anthropological standpoint - the replacement of many deities with one is a recurring one. And, in each case there are political motives, usually involving consolidating a lot of power. For example, the Egyptian pantheon by the Aten. A similar thing happened with a certain "Jesus" in the Roman Empire, where Jesus became associated with the Sun God (hence why Christians hold services on SUNday), and pagan days became "Christian" ones - and all other gods were wiped out. Similarly, in Arab culture, all other gods were wiped out in favor of a MOON GOD. While we're at it, the sun-moon dichotomy is not a coincidence at all. I will explain in another thread.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I think Pagan includes Hindu, most Pagan religions are a lot like Hinduism. Hinduism= the India cultural Paganism

 

[Hyperborean]

There are some problems: First I can't find anything about the Sayar-ul-Okul in any article outside of this one, which is reproduced on may sites. Oak claims the anthology was compiled in 1742 on the orders of a "Sultan Salim," but the actual Sultan at the time was Mahmud I. A "historian" would know better.

Secondly, historically, "Vikramaditya" was a largely legendary figure, although some subsequent Indian monarchs used it as a title. If Oak had intended to refer to one of these, I'm curious to know why he did not refer to them directly, i.e. say "Chandragupta II".

Thirdly, Oak could have easily published pictures of the alleged gold plate.

 

[Valjean]

"Pagan's" not a specific religion. It's a catch-all term for any foreign, polytheistic or pantheistic faith.
Weather Hinduism made inroads into Arabia, though, I have no idea,

 

[301ouncer]

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Muwahahha.

 

[neves]

Get Dawon, Get Dawon again.

Muwahahha.

Man... Arnold Schwarzenegger truly is the Last Action Hero...

 

[.lava]

This is a very interesting article suggesting that the Ka'aba was originally a Hindu temple which was taken over by the Arabs and Muslims. If it is true, then it blows Islam completely out of the water, because the Muslims claim it was a "pagan Shrine.

Keep in mind that, when we look at Mphammed historically, we can raise serious questions concerning his prophethood, his morality, and even his very existence. It is possible that "Mohammed" was merely a Big-Brother like figurehead, concocted by tribal leaders - this could be the reason why nobody was allowed to draw "Muhammad" later on: because he never really existed, nobody really knew what he looked like. Reliable evidence suggests that not only is the Quran a human product, but it was not even written by Muhammad. Scientists say that the Koran is a not a product of Mohammed or even of Arabia, but a collection of materials stitched together to meet the needs of a later age.

i think you should write fairy tales. you have great imagination though it appears to be false to me

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[Azakel]

Don't get your panties in a bunch, Tanuki.
Pax apparently thinks Pagan does not include Hindu.

Islam says it was a pagan shrine. Hinduism was as pagan as any other foreign religion. Where's the problem?

Expect that a lot of people don't consider Eastern Religion under the Pagan title and use it for Pre-Christian Western religions.
So once more this comes down to how broad a term one wants to make Paganism.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I myself categorize Pagan as any religion that existed prior to the Abrahamics and was the cultural indegionous religion of that region. In the far east they've just been more fortunate to keep their brands of Paganism thriving without the Abrahamic faiths.

 

[Luminous]

Wow. Your defense mechanism is showing. I think it is quite obvious that you are a jealous Islamic supremacist extremist and you're resorting to nitpicking in a lame attempt to discredit a scholar just because he's a Hindu.

The article provides facts; all you've done is manage to regurgitate opinions taught to you by your sheikh.

Nice try, thanks for playing though.

Your Anti-Agnostic words are quite Ironic. Its is clearly you who shows an extreme bias. when someone uses cue words like "just nitpicking" it is clear that they have no defence for acusations. It was clear to me, as an Agnostic, that the scholar was discredited not because he's hindu, but because he's not much of a scholar.:no:

 

[Madhuri]

To those discussing paganism, Hindus do not consider themselves pagan. It was Christians originally who seemed to categorise anyone who wasn't Christian as being pagan.

As far as the OP, I don't realy have an opinion. Hinduism can be found to have spread around the globe as there are ancient relics and temples even in Europe but whether Mecca had Hindu inhabitants back then I don't know.