The left claims the right is wrong and the right claims the left is wrong

[Mister Silver]

As an individual who has spent a great many years on this earth, I have seen entirely too much damage done to society by the right. The right cares only about the right and only what it can do for the rich one percent that affiliates as right.

The left has always cared about fixing the social-economic divide, which is vitally important. So the rich right don't get to feel special with their absolutely ridiculous tax breaks under the left, boo-hoo. Who needs to hoard that much wealth anyway?

I can never take any right individual seriously when they blame anything on the left, because that is the right cry-baby whining for not getting what the right thinks it alone "unjustly" deserves.

Debate away with whatever you wish to add.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

As an individual who has spent a great many years on this earth, I have seen entirely too much damage done to society by the right. The right cares only about the right and only what it can do for the rich one percent that affiliates as right.

The left has always cared about fixing the social-economic divide, which is vitally important. So the rich right don't get to feel special with their absolutely ridiculous tax breaks under the left, boo-hoo. Who needs to hoard that much wealth anyway?

I can never take any right individual seriously when they blame anything on the left, because that is the right cry-baby whining for not getting what the right thinks it alone "unjustly" deserves.

Vice versa. The Lions share of the crying, which looks more and more like orwellian thought policing each day, comes from the left.

You might not like what 'the right' stands for, but at least they won't try to stop you from expressing those feelings. The same cannot be said in reverse.

 

[Mister Silver]

Vice versa. The Lions share of the crying, which looks more and more like orwellian thought policing each day, comes from the left.

You might not like what 'the right' stands for, but at least they won't try to stop you from expressing those feelings. The same cannot be said in reverse.

I can picture people in the past thinking, "Hitler has the right to speak as he is doing."

 

[Father Heathen]

I can picture people in the past thinking, "Hitler has the right to speak as he is doing."

Speech isn't a magic spell that makes things happen. Action makes things happen.

 

[Mister Silver]

Speech isn't a magic spell that makes things happen. Action makes things happen.

I like to think that with the advancements we have made with linguistics that we could better predict what sort of language leads to those actions we don't want.

 

[Father Heathen]

I like to think that with the advancements we have made with linguistics that we could better predict what sort of language leads to those actions we don't want.

We also know what sort of path that government censorship of speech and expression would leads us down.

 

[Mister Silver]

We also know what sort of path that government censorship of speech and expression would leads us down.

I mentioned nothing of censorship.

There are plenty of mediums which can be used for them to spread their message.

However, it is also a valid right for an institution to turn down hearing that message.

 

[Rival]

Left and Right blah.

Here everyone goes again conflating economic and social terms. I'm not sure where to put myself anymore.

 

[Glaurung]

It seems to me that the left has devolved into being primarily about drumming up grievances based on race, gender, religious and sexual preferences.

The alt-right isn't the disease, it hasn't become a thing in a vacuum. The disease is that western society is becoming politically dysfunctional and the left are just as much to blame. If racial politics is unacceptable, it must be unacceptable for everyone. Identity politics is a poison, left or right.

Criticize the right all you want (I encourage it) but if the centre is to recover it needs to stop giving the fringe-left and their toxic politics a pass. Double standards breed resentment like nothing else.

 

[Laika]

As an individual who has spent a great many years on this earth...

Breathing doesn't make you an intellectual authority dude.

Turn off the News and read a book. you'll be much better informed and its probably mentally healthier for you too. TV and computers are basically intellectual junk food- they feel good but leave you hungry five minutes after you've eaten them. maybe even relax and take life less seriously for a bit.

If you want an entirely partisan suggestion for reading material, I'd recommend Al Gore's "The Future" as a fairly well reasoned and researched centre-left view on the state of the world and where we may be heading. Its a bit dry but it covers all the big trends and so is invaluable.

 

[Mindmaster]

I can picture people in the past thinking, "Hitler has the right to speak as he is doing."

You can't have freedom without it applying to all people, as soon as someone is excluded the thought policing, propaganda, and cleansing of the undesirables begins. I do think neo-nazi's have the right to express whatever view they have even if I think they're mentally challenged. If they do not have that right, then who is next? That's the question none of you geniuses can answer, and that's the most frightening thing. You're all too short-sighted to see where it goes wrong.

 

[idav]

Left and Right blah.

Here everyone goes again conflating economic and social terms. I'm not sure where to put myself anymore.

You are kinda stuck in the middle, left has your socialism needs and right has your authoritarian needs. Just flip a coin.

 

[idav]

I do think neo-nazi's have the right to express whatever view they have even if I think they're mentally challenged. If they do not have that right, then who is next?

I agree here they should have their say. What I don't get is why a "liberal" would want to hinder free speech. Sounds more like those christains who didn't let Manson come tour our city some years ago. I could care less if someone's in a park yelling vulgarities lol, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

 

[Mindmaster]

I agree here they should have their say. What I don't get is why a "liberal" would want to hinder free speech. Sounds more like those christains who didn't let Manson come tour our city some years ago. I could care less if someone's in a park yelling vulgarities lol, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

Bad ideas naturally die of attrition anyway, that's why I've never been too excited about these things. People will gravitate to concepts which make them profitable or more successful. Don't like what someone has to say in your neighborhood? That's why I have a high wattage stereo, hope you like Slayer.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I can picture people in the past thinking, "Hitler has the right to speak as he is doing."

So you bring up a lefty like Hitler to mock a righty? Oh the irony.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So you bring up a lefty like Hitler to mock a righty? Oh the irony.

Hitler was as left as my right pinky toe.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Hitler was as left as my right pinky toe.

Highly controlled, state, strong authoritarian, economically self regulated through state powered. Sounds as leftist as the KKK. I guess you just can't live with the thought of Martin Luther King being a righty

It's ok, we can give you political science books for free given enough socialization

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Highly controlled, state, strong authoritarian, economically self regulated through state powered. Sounds as leftist as the KKK. I guess you just can't live with the thought of Martin Luther King being a righty

It's ok, we can give you political science books for free given enough socialization

By this definition I guess Mussolini's Italy and Franco's Spain were socialist countries then, despite the fact Italian, German & Spanish rightists actively fought (Spain went through a civil war) against leftist influence. Hitler didn't seem all that enamoured of the left of politics for an alleged socialist. State control of the economy isn't a symptom of only socialism either - by your logic most medieval monarchies (where the aristocracy who made up the government controlled the land and therefore various aspects of the economy) were socialist; as is Mugabe's Zimbabwe despite the fact Mugabe's policies are race-oriented towards the segregation of whites which sounds far closer to those of Hitler and Mussolini than Marx.

I don't mind King being a righty at all - although given your less-than-trustworthy understanding of what constitutes 'left' and 'right', I'm not inclined to believe this. It doesn't detract in any way from his work in the Civil Rights Movement.

And the KKK isn't leftist - otherwise they're quite out of place in far-right white power marches. Ethnic based politics such as those of fascism (Hitler claimed his politics were German fascism) are a right wing phenomenon, sorry to tell you. You don't get to pass the buck for such things to the left.

 

[Kapalika]

So you bring up a lefty like Hitler to mock a righty? Oh the irony.

Highly controlled, state, strong authoritarian, economically self regulated through state powered. Sounds as leftist as the KKK. I guess you just can't live with the thought of Martin Luther King being a righty

It's ok, we can give you political science books for free given enough socialization

What kind of asinine claim is this? Hilter was a nationalist and actually if you want to get technical he was centrist in relation to economics but far far far authoriterian which is a totally different axis (social) from economics.

Also Martin Luther was at the very least socially liberal and most would consider him a lefty.

At best you are conflating terms at worst you are being dishonest.

 

[Quintessence]

And here I was under the impression that, based on the thread title, this was going to be a neutral, balanced OP that would be quite refreshing to read. Instead I am greeted with yet another rant against the "right" that has been done to death so many times I cannot find it interesting or useful.