The left claims the right is wrong and the right claims the left is wrong

[Falvlun]

Vice versa. The Lions share of the crying, which looks more and more like orwellian thought policing each day, comes from the left.

You might not like what 'the right' stands for, but at least they won't try to stop you from expressing those feelings. The same cannot be said in reverse.

Oh, is that why so many Republican Congress-people are refusing town hall meetings? Is that why there was so much outrage over Colin Kaepernick politely kneeling during the national anthem? Is that why Republican lawmakers in 18 states are proposing restrictions to protests in the wake of all the Trump protests?

 

[Falvlun]

The KKK and Nazi's are leftists?
They don't seem to know that.

Maybe you should tell them to stop supporting far right candidates.

Gaslight Obstruct Project. That's their strategy. Basically, anything nefarious they do, they just claim that it's really the Left that's doing it.

 

[Sanzbir]

And both are now stuck so much to the left/right divide that their policies are driven by being the inverse of the other rather than any logical reason for anything.

The side that says "people know the risks and should be free to do with their body as they please" in regards to marijuana are the people who say "this product is dangerous and needs increased regulation and control" in regards to tobacco.

And the side that says "people know the risks and should be free to do with their body as they please" in regards to tobacco are the people who say "this product is dangerous and needs increased regulation and control" in regards to marijuana.

Any consistent narrative or underlining ideology that these sides may have had in the past has been consumed by the need to be the antagonist to the other side.

 

[Quintessence]

And both are now stuck so much to the left/right divide that their policies are driven by being the inverse of the other rather than any logical reason for anything.

I'm not convinced that's the case. Such observations certainly do not reflect my own experiences, at least. The media plays up the antagonistic narrative - in no small part because antagonism (real or fabricated) sells - not necessarily because it represents things.

 

[Kapalika]

And here I was under the impression that, based on the thread title, this was going to be a neutral, balanced OP that would be quite refreshing to read. Instead I am greeted with yet another rant against the "right" that has been done to death so many times I cannot find it interesting or useful.

Hey it's the right wing whos murdering people with cars.

 

[Sanzbir]

I'm not convinced that's the case. Such observations certainly do not reflect my own experiences, at least. The media plays up the antagonistic narrative - in no small part because antagonism (real or fabricated) sells - not necessarily because it represents things.

Really?? Because right now I am seeing a distressing amount of people I know posting throughout their social media calling for and justifying political violence against the other side.

My own experiences when I was a member of a third party were largely that those on the left insisted I was on the right and was thus their enemy and those on the right insisted I was on the left and was thus their enemy. When I was open about having third-party politics, all I remember was hostility from those on both sides due to being othered. Even now when I simply refuse to take any political side and label I occasionally see those who take it as some sort of admission that I am on the opposite side.

What have you seen?? I'm sure seeing some contrast to my own experiences would be nice.

 

[Sanzbir]

Hey it's the right wing whos murdering people with cars.

And (by that logic) it's the left wing who's assaulting neutral persons with bike locks. You're both terrible!! Congratulations!!

 

[metis]

As an individual who has spent a great many years on this earth, I have seen entirely too much damage done to society by the right. The right cares only about the right and only what it can do for the rich one percent that affiliates as right.

As a good friend of mine says, the left care about others; the right care for themselves. Exaggerated, but there's some truth in that.

The left has always cared about fixing the social-economic divide, which is vitally important. So the rich right don't get to feel special with their absolutely ridiculous tax breaks under the left, boo-hoo. Who needs to hoard that much wealth anyway?

Exactly. It is the left that demands a good safety net-- not the right. It's the left that worries about economic disparity of income-- not the right. It's the left that want as many people to vote as possible-- the right has passed laws in 20 states aimed at voter suppression. It's the left that wants to eliminate excessive campaign spending-- the right has stopped this every time. It's the left that favors labor unions so the common man & woman has at least some say at where they work-- the right passes "right to work" laws in order to try and bust up unions. It's the left that wants all Americans to have basic health-care insurance-- the right couldn't care less. On and on and on...

 

[Falvlun]

Hey it's the right wing whos murdering people with cars.

Well, and there was the Left-wing nut who tried to murder Congressmen on a baseball field.

While I do think that racism is somewhat endemic on the Right, I don't think murdering people is. Let's be careful not to conflate the actions of one person with that of the whole.

 

[Sha'irullah]

MLK was a democratic socialist, so I don't know what you're talking about.
You don't seem to have a very coherent political spectrum when it comes to identifying political figures.

You can't just say the ones that you like are right and the ones you don't are left.

I was being sarcastic, MLK was only a registered Republican. But Hitler was left wing though, it is not even up for debate and I would wish Hitler was one my side but oh well.

 

[Sha'irullah]

The KKK and Nazi's are leftists?
They don't seem to know that.

Maybe you should tell them to stop supporting far right candidates.

Traditionally they were leftists. Even going back so close as the 80s ad to some degree 90s they expressed support for Democrats strongly. Robert Byrd is a great example of this. This is where you get the conception of the Solid South due to their strong support of the Democratic party and policies.

 

[Sha'irullah]

What kind of asinine claim is this? Hilter was a nationalist and actually if you want to get technical he was centrist in relation to economics but far far far authoriterian which is a totally different axis (social) from economics.

I am using the traditional Left/Right authoritarian compass. Hitler was definetely on the left int erms of economics and a strong authoritarian.

Also Martin Luther was at the very least socially liberal and most would consider him a lefty.

At best you are conflating terms at worst you are being dishonest.

Was being sarcastic buddy, I know many people will get annoyed with such a comment. Never ceases to fail me how many hard lefties get angered by it

 

[Mindmaster]

The KKK and Nazi's are leftists?
They don't seem to know that.

Maybe you should tell them to stop supporting far right candidates.

Nearly all racist movements were launched in support of the Democratic Party, including KKK, BLM, and others. The white supremacists only started voting right when the left went off the reservation and started offending their traditional and conservative values.

Is the Democratic Party left at that time? Well, we could argue it wasn't... It possibly still isn't actually, but playing fiddle for those folks to get their votes. The entirety of the "globalist agenda" is taken word for word from Hitler and other prominent socialist voices. I really trust nothing that the leadership of the Dems says because it seems like a freaking shell game every time.