The loophole in evolution theories.

[Kuzcotopia]

Thanks for the link. For a really good read on all sorts of cognitive bias try, Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

OT a bit: Personally, the cognative bias I am probably most guilty of is probably this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism

I recognize it exists and do my best to adapt my behavior. Anyway, thanks.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

If all life came from an amoeba ........

If Dinosaurs became extinct during the Ice Age, how did man out survive the dinosaurs? And if all life became extinct during the Ice Age, how was there a new formation of living creatures?

All life did not originate from amoeba. Dinosaurs became extinct long before the Ice Age, and long before humans ever appeared. And there was never a period where all life became extinct. It's come close a few times, but never total extinction for all life.

 

[psychoslice]

Its mind boggling how so many creationist are so backward when it comes to evolution, do you really think there was a man in the sky who magically made everything pop into existence, this is more or less what your saying.

 

[viole]

If all life came from an amoeba ........

If Dinosaurs became extinct during the Ice Age, how did man out survive the dinosaurs? And if all life became extinct during the Ice Age, how was there a new formation of living creatures?

Dinosaurs became extinct in the Ice Age? What?

By the way: what does it mean "if all life came from an amoeba" if we consider that an amoeba is part of life?

I am not sure whether evolution or your knowledge about the subject have a loophole.

Ciao

- viole

 

[jonathan180iq]

If all life came from an amoeba ........

If Dinosaurs became extinct during the Ice Age, how did man out survive the dinosaurs? And if all life became extinct during the Ice Age, how was there a new formation of living creatures?

You need to read some more books.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

If all life came from an amoeba ........

If Dinosaurs became extinct during the Ice Age, how did man out survive the dinosaurs? And if all life became extinct during the Ice Age, how was there a new formation of living creatures?

That's one of many fundamental problems that have emerged. The theory was a lot easier to fit into limited scientific knowledge 150 years ago. The central prediction was that all species slowly, gradually, smoothly morphed from the simplest form, into life as we know it today. The vast gaps in the fossil record could be assumed to be mere artifacts of an incomplete record, to be filled in later as we go..

150 years later and this central prediction could hardly have failed more conclusively, by Darwin's own standards. we have even less transitional examples than we did then, the gaps were not filled but in constrast have been ever more clearly defined.

Instead of Darwin's predictions, we see highly evolved species appearing overnight, all over the planet, remaining unchanged for periods of sometimes hundreds of millions of years, and suddenly disappearing, to be suddenly replaced with a set of new highly evolved species.

 

[jonathan180iq]

That's one of many fundamental problems that have emerged. The theory was a lot easier to fit into limited scientific knowledge 150 years ago. The central prediction was that all species slowly, gradually, smoothly morphed from the simplest form, into life as we know it today. The vast gaps in the fossil record could be assumed to be mere artifacts of an incomplete record, to be filled in later as we go..

150 years later and this central prediction could hardly have failed more conclusively, by Darwin's own standards. we have even less transitional examples than we did then, the gaps were not filled but in constrast have been ever more clearly defined.

Instead of Darwin's predictions, we see highly evolved species appearing overnight, all over the planet, remaining unchanged for periods of sometimes hundreds of millions of years, and suddenly disappearing, to be suddenly replaced with a set of new highly evolved species.

Give an example of this please.

Name a species that suffers the evolutionary gap that you're referring to, and how it's worse now than it was 150 years ago.

 

[Quetzal]

I am pretty proud of the scientifically literate members who single handedly shot down this ridiculous thread in under one page.

 

[McBell]

That's one of many fundamental problems that have emerged. The theory was a lot easier to fit into limited scientific knowledge 150 years ago. The central prediction was that all species slowly, gradually, smoothly morphed from the simplest form, into life as we know it today. The vast gaps in the fossil record could be assumed to be mere artifacts of an incomplete record, to be filled in later as we go..

150 years later and this central prediction could hardly have failed more conclusively, by Darwin's own standards. we have even less transitional examples than we did then, the gaps were not filled but in constrast have been ever more clearly defined.

Instead of Darwin's predictions, we see highly evolved species appearing overnight, all over the planet, remaining unchanged for periods of sometimes hundreds of millions of years, and suddenly disappearing, to be suddenly replaced with a set of new highly evolved species.

STILL trying to push this lie?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Give an example of this please.

Name a species that suffers the evolutionary gap that you're referring to, and how it's worse now than it was 150 years ago.

All of them

We now have a quarter of a million fossil species, but the situation hasn't changed much... We have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin's time.

Eldredge and Gould certainly would agree that some very important gaps really are due to imperfections in the fossil record. Very big gaps, too. For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Its mind boggling how so many creationist are so backward when it comes to evolution, do you really think there was a man in the sky who magically made everything pop into existence, this is more or less what your saying.

As opposed to everything magically popping into existence for no particular reason at all.

Despite this being a minority belief, I don't find it mind boggling or backwards, I know and love many intelligent people who believe this.

Either you are intellectually superior to the vast majority of humanity or you don't really understand their position, which do you think is more likely?

 

[VioletVortex]

Mammals adapted as a result of the colder temperatures that the ice ages brought.

 

[McBell]

As opposed to everything magically popping into existence for no particular reason at all.

Despite this being a minority belief, I don't find it mind boggling or backwards, I know and love many intelligent people who believe this.

Either you are intellectually superior to the vast majority of humanity or you don't really understand their position, which do you think is more likely?

I think it most likely that the majority of people are not really all that concerned about it.
Though I do find it comical that you would try to enlist them

 

[psychoslice]

As opposed to everything magically popping into existence for no particular reason at all.

Despite this being a minority belief, I don't find it mind boggling or backwards, I know and love many intelligent people who believe this.

Either you are intellectually superior to the vast majority of humanity or you don't really understand their position, which do you think is more likely?

I understand their position because I was once one of them, and to think I once believed a man in the sky magically popped everything into existence, quite frankly embarrasses me.

 

[Skwim]

I started to respond to Guy Threepwood, but quickly realized how fruitless it would be. As someone once said: You Can't Reason People Out of Something They Were Not Reasoned Into.

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[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

People that talk about 'gaps' and 'transitional fossils' vis a vis fossil records instantly reveal they don't have the first idea about geology, biology, or how fossils are formed.

There really isn't any need to argue the point, any more than there is a need to argue that our lungs absorb oxygen.(although there are probably nutters out there that would argue against that too, just less of them because they don't have their own special book)

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I understand their position because I was once one of them, and to think I once believed a man in the sky magically popped everything into existence, quite frankly embarrasses me.

Well likewise, I used to bat for your team! So I guess all we can prove, is that our opinions on this are totally unreliable!

 

[Guy Threepwood]

People that talk about 'gaps' and 'transitional fossils' vis a vis fossil records instantly reveal they don't have the first idea about geology, biology, or how fossils are formed.

That's interesting, sorry I forgot to credit those quotes by the way:

"We now have a quarter of a million fossil species, but the situation hasn't changed much... We have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin's time."

David Raup: renowned Paleontologist & Late curator of the Chicago Field Museum

"Eldredge and Gould certainly would agree that some very important gaps really are due to imperfections in the fossil record. Very big gaps, too. For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history."


some 'nutter' called Dawkins, Richard, The Blind Watchmaker, pp. 229-230)

 

[Kartari]

Hi David,

If all life came from an amoeba ........

If Dinosaurs became extinct during the Ice Age, how did man out survive the dinosaurs? And if all life became extinct during the Ice Age, how was there a new formation of living creatures?

I am sorry, but as others have mentioned, your facts are entirely off the mark.

I mean this sincerely: you would do well to study up on biology and other sciences, gain a sound basic science education. For a fun and fact-filled start, you might try Cosmos, a TV series featuring Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Available on Netflix, and perhaps elsewhere. I highly recommend it.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

everything magically popping into existence

As a creationist, isn't this phrase exactly what you believe?