"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[IndigoChild5559]

Your response here...

Sure they do.. read the Hebrew already posted. Already defined in the post you were quoting from that did not read. Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning.

please quote and cite the verses in teh torah which you think define work.

 

[3rdAngel]

please quote and cite the verses in teh torah which you think define work.

No problem. According to Gods Sabbath commandment which is one of Gods 10 commandments found in Exodus 20:8-11 the scriptures here specifically state in v10 "THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK" The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. The focus of Exodus 20:8-11 is that we are free to do our own work, six other days of the week, but the "seventh day" (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset our time) is Gods Sabbath day that God blessed and made a holy day of rest and no work is to be done in it. However, according to Jesus, it is lawful to do good works on the (see Matthew 12:1-12). Breaking Gods Sabbath commandment just like anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4 compare with James 2:10-11) and if we continue practicing known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth of Gods Word we will be in danger of the judgement and can lose everlasting life (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

My belief is that the Sabbath was derived for the same simple reason that the proverb "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." exists and is so pertinent when legislating laws and/or a way of life.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning.

Okay, so now we finally have your definition of work. Next question: where do you get this idea from? It certainly isn't mentioned in Exodus 20.

I'm curious. If all domestic work is forbidden, what happens when the kids run amok?

And for the record, you should be aware that Jews, for whom Hebrew is our actual language, we have an entirely different understanding of what Melakhah means. For us, our rabbis noted that work stopped on the Tabernacle on the Sabbath. So they identified 39 melakhot associated with the building of the Tabernacle, and those are the things we are to refrain from. You can find the 39 melakhot here: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/102032/jewish/The-39-Melachot.htm

 

[3rdAngel]

My belief is that the Sabbath was derived for the same simple reason that the proverb "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." exists and is so pertinent when legislating laws and/or a way of life.

Hey Mark... the Sabbath is a blessing and also promotes good health I believe as intended by God. Thanks for sharing.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: According to Gods Sabbath commandment which is one of Gods 10 commandments found in Exodus 20:8-11 the scriptures here specifically state in v10 "THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK" The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. The focus of Exodus 20:8-11 is that we are free to do our own work, six other days of the week, but the "seventh day" (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset our time) is Gods Sabbath day that God blessed and made a holy day of rest and no work is to be done in it. However, according to Jesus, it is lawful to do good works on the (see Matthew 12:1-12). Breaking Gods Sabbath commandment just like anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4 compare with James 2:10-11) and if we continue practicing known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth of Gods Word we will be in danger of the judgement and can lose everlasting life (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

Your response here...

Okay, so now we finally have your definition of work. Next question: where do you get this idea from? It certainly isn't mentioned in Exodus 20.

You are funny. You do know that what I posted was that you agreed answered your question was what I already posted the first time that you claimed I did not answer your question and now your saying you agree that I answered it the first time right? Maybe its best to read my posts to you next time before posting.

I'm curious. If all domestic work is forbidden, what happens when the kids run amok?

Depends if it is something that is simply cleaned up it ok. If it is something more complex that can be done after Sabbath or any other day of the week leave it till later (e.g. lawn mowing, cooking, baking, cleaning up the house etc). Follow the Spirit of the law. Hygiene is important.

And for the record, you should be aware that Jews, for whom Hebrew is our actual language, we have an entirely different understanding of what Melakhah means. For us, our rabbis noted that work stopped on the Tabernacle on the Sabbath. So they identified 39 melakhot associated with the building of the Tabernacle, and those are the things we are to refrain from. You can find the 39 melakhot here

Thanks but I posted you a scriptural perspective. I am not really interested in man-made teachings and traditions of the Jew. According to Jesus in the new covenant the Jews did not understand the Spirit of the Sabbath commandment in there man made teachings and traditions around Sabbath keeping (see Matthew 12:1-12).

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your response here...

You are funny. You do know that what I posted was that you agreed answered your question was what I already posted the first time that you claimed I did not answer your question and now your saying you agree that I answered it the first time right? Maybe its best to read my posts to you next time before posting.

Last chance for you to tell me the source for your interpretation of Malakha. If you do not respond, I'm going to conclude that you simply made it up in your own head out of whole cloth, making yourself the authority for how to interpret the Law. Balls in your court, but only for one more round.

Depends if it is something that is simply cleaned up it ok. If it is something more complex that can be done after Sabbath or any other day of the week leave it till later (e.g. lawn mowing, cooking, baking, cleaning up the house etc). Follow the Spirit of the law. Hygiene is important.

So then, NOT all domestic work is Malakha? Let's at least acknowledge here that caring for children is a LOT of work.

Thanks but I posted you a scriptural perspective.

No you haven't. You have quoted Deut 20, but Deut 20 does NOT list the things you mentioned. It does NOT define what work is.

I am not really interested in man-made teachings and traditions of the Jew.

Unless, apparently, if the manmade teachings are your own.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: According to Gods Sabbath commandment which is one of Gods 10 commandments found in Exodus 20:8-11 the scriptures here specifically state in v10 "THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK" The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. The focus of Exodus 20:8-11 is that we are free to do our own work, six other days of the week, but the "seventh day" (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset our time) is Gods Sabbath day that God blessed and made a holy day of rest and no work is to be done in it. However, according to Jesus, it is lawful to do good works on the (see Matthew 12:1-12). Breaking Gods Sabbath commandment just like anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4 compare with James 2:10-11) and if we continue practicing known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth of Gods Word we will be in danger of the judgement and can lose everlasting life (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

Your response here...

Last chance for you to tell me the source for your interpretation of Malakha. If you do not respond, I'm going to conclude that you simply made it up in your own head out of whole cloth, making yourself the authority for how to interpret the Law. Balls in your court, but only for one more round.

Already provided in the first post you already agreed I answered in post # 3144 linked after you accused me of not answering it in post # 3139 linked. It seems you cannot make your mind up.

So then, NOT all domestic work is Malakha? Let's at least acknowledge here that caring for children is a LOT of work.

There is a difference between necessary and unnecessary work that can be done after Sabbath house as pointed out in my last post.

No you haven't. You have quoted Deut 20, but Deut 20 does NOT list the things you mentioned. It does NOT define what work is.

Nope. Did you actually read my first post to you? I am guessing not. Where did I post you Deuteronomy 20?

Unless, apparently, if the manmade teachings are your own.

As shown above I have only posted you scripture and the Hebrew word meaning of work used in Exodus 20:6-11. You in response post the teachings of men not written in the scriptures. This is what Jesus accused the Scribes and Pharisees of doing in Matthew 15:1-9. Nothings changed much since those days I see.

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your response here...

Already provided in the first post you already agreed I answered in post # 3144 linked after you accused me of not answering it in post # 3139 linked. It seems you cannot make your mind up.

Just to be certain, I reviewed all your posts going all the way back to your very first response to the question, in which you said "The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. "

You have NEVER ONCE given your source for the above. You also later walked back your assertion that domestic work was forbidden, since you allow for the care of children. As I warned you, I only gave you one final opportunity to give you source. At this point, I am confident that the source is your own mind. You somehow have decided you are the pope, who can infallibly interpret what malakha means.

We're done.

 

[YoursTrue]

Last chance for you to tell me the source for your interpretation of Malakha. If you do not respond, I'm going to conclude that you simply made it up in your own head out of whole cloth, making yourself the authority for how to interpret the Law. Balls in your court, but only for one more round.

So then, NOT all domestic work is Malakha? Let's at least acknowledge here that caring for children is a LOT of work.

No you haven't. You have quoted Deut 20, but Deut 20 does NOT list the things you mentioned. It does NOT define what work is.

Unless, apparently, if the manmade teachings are your own.

Not saying anything more than this: Strong's Hebrew: 4399. מְלָאכָה (melakah) -- 167 Occurrences

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Just to be certain, I reviewed all your posts going all the way back to your very first response to the question, in which you said "The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping), employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. "

You have NEVER ONCE given your source for the above. You also later walked back your assertion that domestic work was forbidden, since you allow for the care of children. As I warned you, I only gave you one final opportunity to give you source. At this point, I am confident that the source is your own mind. You somehow have decided you are the pope, who can infallibly interpret what malakha means.

We're done.

In my short gleaming I found the word עָבַד (ʻâbad | H5647) also means work, labor, and even worship... Somewhat controversial, that worship of God is forbidden on the day dedicated to paying homage to Him.

To my perspective, the clearest breaches of the covenant are labors or works that are in any way mercantile or craftmanship related.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Not saying anything more than this: Strong's Hebrew: 4399. מְלָאכָה (melakah) -- 167 Occurrences

I googled Strongs 4399. It does not give the list of things that 3rd Angel gave.

 

[3rdAngel]

I googled Strongs 4399. It does not give the list of things that 3rd Angel gave.

I should not need to do your research for you.

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged - H4399
H4399. melakah
מְלָאכָה167 noun feminine occupation, work (for *מַלְאָכָה; compare Phoenician מלאכת labour) — ׳מ Exod 12:16 102t.; מְלָ֑אכֶת2Chr 13:10; construct מְלֶאכֶת Exod 35:24 42t.; suffix מְלַאכְתְּךָ Jonah 1:8; מְלַאכְתֶּ֑ךָ Exod 20:9 2t.; מְלַאכְתּוֺ Gen 2:2 13t.; plural construct מַלְאֲכוֺת 1Chr 28:19; suffix מַלְאֲכוֺתֶיךָ Psa 73:28; —
1 occupation, business, מְּלַאכְתְּךָ מַה what is thy occupation Jonah 1:8; business of a steward Gen 39:11 (J); diligent in business Prov 22:29; slack in business 18:9.
2 property in which one is occupied, ׳מ רעהוּ his neighbour's property Exod 22:7; 22:10 (E); possessions of herds and flocks Gen 33:14 (J), 1Sam 15:9 (compare מִקְנֶה); ׳מ רבה great property2Chr 17:13.
3 work as something done or made:
a. of God in creation Gen 2:2 (twice in verse); 2:3 (P), in judgment Jer 50:25, in General Psa 73:28.
b. of men, ׳מ עור leather-work Lev 13:48, 51 (P), ׳מ השׂדה work in the field 1Chr 27:26; in building Prov 24:27 +, the walls of Jerusalem Neh 4:5 +, making the tabernacle and its furniture Exod 36:2 +, the temple 1 Kings 5:30 +; work of the potter Jer 18:3, of the seaman Psa 107:23, of the Levites 1Chr 26:29, of priests in the sacrifices 2Chr 29:34; (ה)עֲבֹדָה מְלָאכֶת phrase of P, Exod 35:24; 36:1, 3; Lev 23:7-8, 21, 25, 35, 36; Num 28:18, 25, 26; 29:1, 12, 35 also 1Chr 9:13; 9:19; 28:13; 28:20; 2Chr 24:12; ׳המ לעבדה 1Chr 23:24; למ ׳עבדה Exod 36:5 (P); compare the phrase המ ׳עֹשֵׂה workmen Ezra 3:9; Neh 2:16; במ ׳עֹשִׂים 1 Kings 5:30; 1Kin 9:23 +; מ ׳כל any work forbidden on the Sabbath Exod 20:9-10, Lev 23:3 (P) Deut 5:13-14, Jer 17:22, 24; on holy convocations Exod 12:16; Lev 16:29; 23:28, 30, 31; Num 29:7 (P).
4 workmanship, מלאכה כל in every kind of workmanship, phrase of P: Exod 31:3, 5; 35:29, 31, 33, 35; and Chronicles: 1Chr 22:15; 28:21; 29:5; 1Kin 7:14.
5 service, use Lev 7:24; 11:32; Judg 16:11; Ezek 28:13.
6 public business:
a. political 1Kin 11:28; 1Chr 29:6; Dan 8:27; Est 3:9; 9:3.
b. religious, putting away foreign wives Ezra 10:13; ׳מ יהוה 1Chr 26:30; הַקֹּדֶשׁ׳מ Exod 36:4; 38:24 (P), ׳מ הקדשׁים קדשׁ 1Chr 6:34; מועד ׳מ אהל Exod 35:21 (P), ׳מ י ׳בית 1Chr 23:4; Ezra 3:8; 6:22; Neh 10:34; 11:22.

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Combined Word Definitions, BDB & Thayer - H4399
Original: מלאכה
Transliteration: M@la’kah
Phonetic: mel-aw-kaw’
Definition:
1. occupation, work, business
a. occupation, business
b. property
c. work (something done or made)
d. workmanship
e. service, use
f. public business
1. political
2. religious
Origin: from the same as H4397
Part of speech: Noun Feminine

Take Care

 

[YoursTrue]

I googled Strongs 4399. It does not give the list of things that 3rd Angel gave.

You need to Google Strong's H4399. I assume the H is for Hebrew. Also all you had to do is click on the link I provided in my post and it would take you there. Happy searching! Or re-searching.
I googled Strong's H4399 and several links came up with descriptions of work in the Bible re: the Hebrew use of the word.

 

[metis]

Yes by following what the scriptures teach. Its one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and right doing when obeyed. It is also repeated in the new covenant as everyone of Gods 10 commandments are as the standard for Christian living.

As mentioned numerous times before, according to what clearly found in Torah there are many more then 10 Commandments, which I believe I have linked you to. If not, let me know and I'll do it again. Also, I've mentioned that for a Gentile who's Christian, Jesus' Two Commandments are what needs to be followed and applied.

I am happy to share the scriptures with you if you are genuinely interested. Are you interested?

I've taught both at Christian and Jewish congregations. If there's any specific question, I'll respond, so thanks.

 

[3rdAngel]

As mentioned numerous times before, according to what clearly found in Torah there are many more then 10 Commandments, which I believe I have linked you to. If not, let me know and I'll do it again. Also, I've mentioned that for a Gentile who's Christian, Jesus' Two Commandments are what needs to be followed and applied.
I've taught both at Christian and Jewish congregations. If there's any specific question, I'll respond, so thanks.

Irrelevant and as posted to you numerous times in response; we are talking about Gods 10 commandments spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone (Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 32:16) and repeated in both the old and new covenant scriptures. We are not talking about the ceremonial laws for animal sacrifices and sin offerings and or the ceremonial shadow laws of the earthly Sanctuary and Levitical Priesthood and annual feast days and circumcision that are all now fulfilled in Christ to who they pointed to (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10-1-22. We are in the new covenant now not the old (see Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27 and Hebrews 8:10-12). According to the scriptures there is only 10 commandments in Gods 10 commandments not 9 or 613 (see Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4). You simply ignored this post that shows your claims to be untruthful. According to the scriptures there is only 10 commandments in the 10 commandments that we are now discussing, not 9 or 613 (read the scriptures Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4) and nothing was to be added to them (Deuteronomy 5:22).

 

[metis]

Irrelevant and as posted to you numerous times in response; we are talking about Gods 10 commandments spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone (Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 32:16) and repeated in both the old and new covenant scriptures. We are not talking about the ceremonial laws for animal sacrifices and sin offerings and or the ceremonial shadow laws of the earthly Sanctuary and Levitical Priesthood and annual feast days and circumcision that are all now fulfilled in Christ to who they pointed to (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10-1-22. We are in the new covenant now not the old (see Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27 and Hebrews 8:10-12). According to the scriptures there is only 10 commandments in Gods 10 commandments not 9 or 613 (see Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4). You simply ignored this post that shows your claims to be untruthful. According to the scriptures there is only 10 commandments in the 10 commandments that we are now discussing, not 9 or 613 (read the scriptures Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4) and nothing was to be added to them (Deuteronomy 5:22).

Are you Jewish? If not, then I would recommend that you just deal with Jesus' Two Commandments as he taught that they are the synthesis of the 613 Commandments.

 

[metis]

BTW, if you noticed a glow on my posts today, that's because I went to synagogue on Friday night and church services Sunday morning.

 

[3rdAngel]

BTW, if you noticed a glow on my posts today, that's because I went to synagogue on Friday night and church services Sunday morning.

Why would that make your post glow according to you? .....

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Why would that make your post glow according to you? .....

It was just a gesture of good will, so we didn't freak out, just in case his post was causing or exhibiting supernatural events.. I thank @metis if this be the case but apologize since cannot confirm any evidence of the divine regarding his post.

Regardless, I'm sure I'm not alone that I'm glad you were feeling so exuberant from your experiences at service.