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"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

3rdAngel

3rdAngel

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GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS REPEATED IN THE NEW COVENANT
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
  2. You shall make no idols (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
  3. You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. – Hebrews 4:9 (Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the feast days)(Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4:1-9; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
  5. Honor your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
  6. You shall not murder (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
  7. You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
  8. You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
  9. You shall not bear false witness. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
  10. You shall not covet your neighbors possessions. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Timothy 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

God bless
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
3rdAngel said:
There is no scripture in all of the bible that says you should not travel more than a mile and a 1/4 in there bible is there?
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It states one cannot travel outside their village area, and the largest then was Jerusalem whch was 1 & 1/4 mile in width.

3rdAngel said:
Circumcision is not a requirement in the new covenant (see Acts 15:1-25) but keeping of the commandments of God is (see 1 Corinthians 7:19).
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Here's where you screw up because the Laws of Shabbat are found in Torah, not the N.T.
3rdAngel said:
There is no scripture saying I need to keep my head covered in public.
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If you're a woman, yes you do: I Corinthians 11:6 For if a woman does not cover her head, have her also cut her hair off; however, if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, have her cover her head.

So, all you are doing is picking and choosing that which you want to believe.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
3rdAngel said:
GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS REPEATED IN THE NEW COVENANT
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
  2. You shall make no idols (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
  3. You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. – Hebrews 4:9 (Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the feast days)(Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4:1-9; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
  5. Honor your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
  6. You shall not murder (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
  7. You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
  8. You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
  9. You shall not bear false witness. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
  10. You shall not covet your neighbors possessions. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Timothy 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

God bless
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So. what about the other 603, which includes the Laws dealing with Shabbat?
 
3rdAngel

3rdAngel

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metis said:
So. what about the other 603, which includes the Laws dealing with Shabbat?
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Good question metis. In the old covenant Sanctuary laws and the Levitical Priesthood of the earthly Sanctuary had daily and yearly animal sacrifices for sin atonement so that Gods' people could receive Gods forgiveness for sins that they committed attached to every day of the year in the earthly temple. These of course were the shadow laws of the old covenant that were to teach Gods' people of the coming Messiah and the work and ministration of Jesus as our great high priest once and for all and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world (see John 1:29; Hebrews 7:1-23; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22). These shadow laws were also linked into every day of the week. In the old covenant however there were also many different types of sabbaths that are not the same as God's 4th commandment (e.g ceremonial sabbaths in the annual Feast days - Leviticus 23), the sabbath of the land (seventh year - Leviticus 25). These sabbaths or rests are not the same as the creation seventh day of Gods' 4th commandment this is a memorial of Gods' creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. The annual ceremonial sabbaths are not the same as Gods' 4th commandment that is linked directly to the seventh day of each week and one of Gods' 10 commandments. The annual ceremonial sabbaths in the annual Feast days are linked directly to the annual Feast days and depending on the yearly cycle they could fall on any day of the week because they are linked directly to the annual Feast days. These annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days are found in; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36). So what has stopped now in the new covenant is the ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days because these are fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to and the earthly Sanctuary, Levitical Priesthood and all the ceremonial shadow laws for sin offering that were linked into these days as they were shadows of things to come pointing to the body of Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).

Take Care.
 
3rdAngel

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
metis said:
It states one cannot travel outside their village area, and the largest then was Jerusalem whch was 1 & 1/4 mile in width.
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What scripture are you referring to here. As far as I am aware there is no scripture that states you cannot travel more than 1 and 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. Perhaps that is a man-made teaching and tradition?
metis said:
Here's where you screw up because the Laws of Shabbat are found in Torah, not the N.T. If you're a woman, yes you do: I Corinthians 11:6 For if a woman does not cover her head, have her also cut her hair off; however, if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, have her cover her head. So, all you are doing is picking and choosing that which you want to believe.
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Well firstly there is no "screw up" my end the same as there is no picking and choosing but allow me to explain why from the scriptures with God's help if it might be useful. Firstly 1 Corinthians 11 is new covenant scripture not old covenant scripture so is a message for Gods new covenant Church. Secondly I am a man and not a woman so these scriptures are not applicable to me. Thirdly the context 1 Corinthians 11:6 is not about going about in general public but about women praying or prophesying in the Church. Lets look at the scripture contexts.

This is what 1 Corinthians 11:6 says here in context...
  • 1 Corinthians 11:4-15 4, Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5, But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6, For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7, For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8, For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9, Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10, For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11, Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12, For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13, Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14, Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15, But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
From the scriptures above
  • The scriptures you provided are new covenant scripture not old covenant scripture - 1 Corinthians 11:4-15
  • Context is to woman praying and prophesying in the Church not men or woman walking in public - 1 Corinthians 11:5
  • A woman should have her head covered while praying or prophesying in the Church - 1 Corinthians 11:5-7
  • The woman's covering to her head while praying or prophesying in the Church is to be long hair - 1 Corinthians 11:15
So as shown from the scriptures above metis, 1 Corinthians 11 is not saying that we have to go out in public with out heads covered. It is new testament scriptures not old testament scripture so is relevant to new testament Christians but the context show that it is talking about women praying or prophesying in the Church and that her long hair should be used as a covering for her head while she might be praying or prophesying.

Take Care.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
3rdAngel said:
What scripture are you referring to here. As far as I am aware there is no scripture that states you cannot travel more than 1 and 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. Perhaps that is a man-made teaching and tradition?

Well firstly there is no "screw up" my end the same as there is no picking and choosing but allow me to explain why from the scriptures with God's help if it might be useful. Firstly 1 Corinthians 11 is new covenant scripture not old covenant scripture so is a message for Gods new covenant Church. Secondly I am a man and not a woman so these scriptures are not applicable to me. Thirdly the context 1 Corinthians 11:6 is not about going about in general public but about women praying or prophesying in the Church. Lets look at the scripture contexts.

This is what 1 Corinthians 11:6 says here in context...
  • 1 Corinthians 11:4-15 4, Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5, But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6, For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7, For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8, For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9, Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10, For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11, Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12, For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13, Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14, Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15, But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
From the scriptures above
  • The scriptures you provided are new covenant scripture not old covenant scripture - 1 Corinthians 11:4-15
  • Context is to woman praying and prophesying in the Church not men or woman walking in public - 1 Corinthians 11:5
  • A woman should have her head covered while praying or prophesying in the Church - 1 Corinthians 11:5-7
  • The woman's covering to her head while praying or prophesying in the Church is to be long hair - 1 Corinthians 11:15
So as shown from the scriptures above metis, 1 Corinthians 11 is not saying that we have to go out in public with out heads covered. It is new testament scriptures not old testament scripture so is relevant to new testament Christians but the context show that it is talking about women praying or prophesying in the Church and that her long hair should be used as a covering for her head while she might be praying or prophesying.

Take Care.
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Oh my!! Who did not see this coming? Yes, those laws are Old Covenant Laws. Do you know what else are Old Covenant Law? I will give you a guess, and you seem to know their number.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
3rdAngel said:
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. – Hebrews 4:9 (Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the feast days)(Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4:1-9; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
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Ooh! a cherry picked Gish Gallop. A Gish Gallop is a dishonest debating technique where one quotes outright lies or makes error after error confident that he is not going to be challenged.

Do you want this list dealt with as if it were a Gish Gallop, that is refuting one claim refutes them all, or do you want to pick out your best verse and we can discuss that? Or would you rather pick out your best verse and we can go over them one at a time, which is really the proper way to debate?

Your choice.
 
3rdAngel

3rdAngel

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Subduction Zone said:
Oh my!! Who did not see this coming? Yes, those laws are Old Covenant Laws. Do you know what else are Old Covenant Law? I will give you a guess, and you seem to know their number.
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Oh my what nonsense! Yes I know the old covenant and new covenant scriptures. It appears however that you do not. Please show me the scripture in the old covenant that says you cannot travel more that 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. - There is none.
 
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3rdAngel

3rdAngel

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3rdAngel said: ↑ GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS REPEATED IN THE NEW COVENANT
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
  2. You shall make no idols (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
  3. You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. – Hebrews 4:9 (Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the feast days)(Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4:1-9; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
  5. Honor your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
  6. You shall not murder (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
  7. You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
  8. You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
  9. You shall not bear false witness. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
  10. You shall not covet your neighbors possessions. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Timothy 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)
God bless
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Your response here...
Subduction Zone said:
Ooh! a cherry picked Gish Gallop. A Gish Gallop is a dishonest debating technique where one quotes outright lies or makes error after error confident that he is not going to be challenged. Do you want this list dealt with as if it were a Gish Gallop, that is refuting one claim refutes them all, or do you want to pick out your best verse and we can discuss that? Or would you rather pick out your best verse and we can go over them one at a time, which is really the proper way to debate?
Your choice.
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Sorry dear friend I do not believe you. If you disagree then show what and why you disagree with from the scriptures and address the post content? If you cannot why throw out false claims and accusations you cannot prove? All you have provided in your post again is your words denying Gods' Word without proving why you disagree or addressing the scriptures in the posts that are in disagreement with you. So until you are able to do that dear friend we will agree to disagree. For me only Gods' Words are true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29 and all you have provided are your words denying Gods' Word. I know who I believe and follow dear friend and it is not you. Lets talk more when you have something to contribute to the discussion. If you disagree with something then show why and what you disagree with and prove your claims. Anything else is only empty words denying Gods' Word. You haven't had a very good start to your day so far have you.

Take Care.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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3rdAngel said:
Oh my what nonsense! Yes I know the old covenant and new covenant scriptures. It appears however that you do not. Please show me the scripture in the old covenant that says you cannot travel more that 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. - There is none.
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You have to keep track of your own arguments. You need to ask @metis that question. I merely pointed out how you screwed up.

Try again.
 
3rdAngel

3rdAngel

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Subduction Zone said:
You have to keep track of your own arguments. You need to ask @metis that question. I merely pointed out how you screwed up.

Try again.
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So you have no scripture that says you cannot travel more that 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. If there is no scripture then there is no screw up my side. The "screw up" therefore is your side not being able to support the claim that there is scripture that says you cannot travel more that 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. Thank you for admitting your mistake here.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
3rdAngel said:
So you have no scripture that says you cannot travel more that 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. If there is no scripture then there is no screw up my side. The "screw up" therefore is your side not being able to support the claim that there is scripture that says you cannot travel more that 1 1/4 mile on the Sabbath. Thank you for admitting your mistake here.
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Dude!! Pay attention. It was not my claim. I made no mistake, you did.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
3rdAngel said:
As shown in the previous posts it is you that has proven yourself wrong because you have no scripture to support your views. Lets talk more when you have something to contribute :)
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No, no, no. You were warned. You just admitted that you were wrong. It is not my problem if you can't pay attention.
 
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