"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[samtonga43]

True. but that would not be bad news for me.

It would if your definition of ‘rudeness’ is the act of pointing out your failure to make your point coherently and rationally.
Posters who disagree with you are (according to you) either rude, or attacking you.

what assumption? I made none. Think about it.

Of course you did. Just look at what you wrote. If you still don’t understand, I’ll tell you.

I have never seen him advocate for slavery. I have never seen him support the false doctrine of substitutionary atonement

Slavery? Oh my! You really know nothing about the importance of context, do you?
An understanding of context is a vital part of hermeneutics. It is generally obvious that words and events are related to their immediate context.

What is not always fully appreciated is the need to consider the whole background to the immediate context. A man bathing in the river Musi does not mean the same thing as if he were taking a bath in an English river: in one context he would be perfectly normal, in the other an eccentric or exhibitionist.

The English student’s style of recreation would probably seem even more eccentric to an Asian villager, for whom spare time is for resting, not wasting precious energy. If the fellow wants to go to Granchester, couldn’t he take a bus?

So the meaning of an event or word is affected by its place within the context of a whole culture and way of life. In terms of biblical hermeneutics, this means that a text needs to be understood not only in its immediate context, but also in its wider context, which is the whole Bible. Interpreting texts in the context of the whole Bible - The Gospel Coalition
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Forgot to add--- When you say that a doctrine is false you are making a positive claim. Can you support this claim?

Really? What verse.

All through Scripture. General context. You appear to be a fundamentalist literalistic atheist SZ.
I LOL at "What verse?"

Didn't you keep trying to justify the Noah's Ark myth and eventually ran away when you failed? Or was that someone else. At any rate you could have answered those questions again.

You keep asking me this question and I keep saying no. Someone else perhaps?

Please, if you had a point you should have made it. Try again.

It’s obvious. ‘Appears to be the case’ says nothing about what IS the case.

LOL! Oh my. You should not try to play the Tu Quoque game. That fallacy is not very impressive

Not only did I ‘not try’ to play the Tu Quoque game; I did not
play the Tu Quoque game. Read and Learn:
Tu Quoque - Ad Hominem Fallacy That You Did It Too

 

[Subduction Zone]

All your false claims and accusations and address the post content that has been sent to you. There is a lot. When are you doing to make a start?

You are not listening again. I made a statement based upon well known facts. You did not like it You could not say what you disagreed with in that post. You have not given me anything to respond to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It would if your definition of ‘rudeness’ is the act of pointing out your failure to make your point coherently and rationally.
Posters who disagree with you are (according to you) either rude, or attacking you.

No, not true. It has been the case here, but there have been only two people guilty of that behavior. Don't act like as if this thread was the whole website.

Of course you did. Just look at what you wrote. If you still don’t understand, I’ll tell you.

Now it is rather clear that you cannot support your claim. In the future you need to respond right away. Remember, I do not play the game of digging backwards to go over the failed arguments of others.

Slavery? Oh my! You really know nothing about the importance of context, do you?
An understanding of context is a vital part of hermeneutics. It is generally obvious that words and events are related to their immediate context.

What is not always fully appreciated is the need to consider the whole background to the immediate context. A man bathing in the river Musi does not mean the same thing as if he were taking a bath in an English river: in one context he would be perfectly normal, in the other an eccentric or exhibitionist.

The English student’s style of recreation would probably seem even more eccentric to an Asian villager, for whom spare time is for resting, not wasting precious energy. If the fellow wants to go to Granchester, couldn’t he take a bus?

So the meaning of an event or word is affected by its place within the context of a whole culture and way of life. In terms of biblical hermeneutics, this means that a text needs to be understood not only in its immediate context, but also in its wider context, which is the whole Bible. Interpreting texts in the context of the whole Bible - The Gospel Coalition
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Forgot to add--- When you say that a doctrine is false you are making a positive claim. Can you support this claim?

I understand context. That is not an excuse for advocating slavery. Sorry, now you are just spouting rhetoric. You need to do better than that. Either refute or admit that I had a point. So far you have not refuted. Now you only appear to be making excuses. My point still stands.

As to your last question what doctrine?

All through Scripture. General context. You appear to be a fundamentalist literalistic atheist SZ.
I LOL at "What verse?"

And there is an epic failure. Sorry, you needed a specific verse. Now you are just playing the heads I win tails you lose game.

You keep asking me this question and I keep saying no. Someone else perhaps?

No, I am pretty sure it was you. But let's say it was someone else. Then I need to ask you: Do you believe the Noah's Ark myth?

It’s obvious. ‘Appears to be the case’ says nothing about what IS the case.

No, sorry, when it appears to be the case that means that an observation has been supported with evidence. It puts the burden of proof back upon you. But you seem to dodge that regularly.

Not only did I ‘not try’ to play the Tu Quoque game; I did not
play the Tu Quoque game. Read and Learn:
Tu Quoque - Ad Hominem Fallacy That You Did It Too

But you did. If you did not understand then you should have asked questions.

And for the future let's go over one point at a time. When you are all over the place you can only expect a quick refutation. If you want a more thorough one stick to one claim.

 

[3rdAngel]

You are not listening again. I made a statement based upon well known facts. You did not like it You could not say what you disagreed with in that post. You have not given me anything to respond to.

That is not true. You made false claims and accusations not based on any fact and then what asked to prove your self you ran away again. It is something we have been watching all though this thread. You are funny even if there is no truth in what you say.

 

[3rdAngel]

It would if your definition of ‘rudeness’ is the act of pointing out your failure to make your point coherently and rationally.
Posters who disagree with you are (according to you) either rude, or attacking you.

Of course you did. Just look at what you wrote. If you still don’t understand, I’ll tell you.

Slavery? Oh my! You really know nothing about the importance of context, do you?
An understanding of context is a vital part of hermeneutics. It is generally obvious that words and events are related to their immediate context.

What is not always fully appreciated is the need to consider the whole background to the immediate context. A man bathing in the river Musi does not mean the same thing as if he were taking a bath in an English river: in one context he would be perfectly normal, in the other an eccentric or exhibitionist.

The English student’s style of recreation would probably seem even more eccentric to an Asian villager, for whom spare time is for resting, not wasting precious energy. If the fellow wants to go to Granchester, couldn’t he take a bus?

So the meaning of an event or word is affected by its place within the context of a whole culture and way of life. In terms of biblical hermeneutics, this means that a text needs to be understood not only in its immediate context, but also in its wider context, which is the whole Bible. Interpreting texts in the context of the whole Bible - The Gospel Coalition
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Forgot to add--- When you say that a doctrine is false you are making a positive claim. Can you support this claim?

All through Scripture. General context. You appear to be a fundamentalist literalistic atheist SZ.
I LOL at "What verse?"

You keep asking me this question and I keep saying no. Someone else perhaps?

It’s obvious. ‘Appears to be the case’ says nothing about what IS the case.

Not only did I ‘not try’ to play the Tu Quoque game; I did not
play the Tu Quoque game. Read and Learn:
Tu Quoque - Ad Hominem Fallacy That You Did It Too

Exactly! I tried to point out context to SZ in our earlier discussions in this thread. I see he did not listened and still does not understand the importance of context to exegesis and understanding the scriptures. Although even this is useless if someone does not know God and God is not our guide and teacher through His Spirit (John 14:26; John 16:13 etc).

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is not true. You made false claims and accusations not based on any fact and then what asked to prove your self you ran away again. It is something we have been watching all though this thread. You are funny even if there is no truth in what you say.

Sorry, I did not do that. Just because I made posts that you did not like does not mean that I had false accusations. You are once again reliving past losses of yours rather than dealing with the OP.

Why can't you deal with the OP?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly! I tried to point out context to SZ in our earlier discussions in this thread. I see he did not listened and still does not understand the importance of context to exegesis and understanding the scriptures. Although even this is useless if someone does not know God and God is not our guide and teacher through His Spirit (John 14:26; John 16:13 etc).

Nope, that is not true. I was not debating verses with you. Where do you get this from?

By the way, it is a failure to to try to use the Bible to defend the Bible. The claim is not the evidence.

 

[3rdAngel]

Nope, that is not true. I was not debating verses with you. Where do you get this from?
By the way, it is a failure to to try to use the Bible to defend the Bible. The claim is not the evidence.

Sorry dear friend, your words do not mean much to me if you just make up things that are not true and you cannot prove anything you say. Others can see this and have pointed out the same things to you. I am just enjoying my pretend popcorn hoping we can get back to discussing the OP.

 

[3rdAngel]

Sorry, I did not do that.

Sure you did. Did you want me to post the links for you again? Perhaps you forgot.

Just because I made posts that you did not like does not mean that I had false accusations.

Yes you make false personal claims and accusations you were not able to prove when challenged. Did you need me to post the links as evidence? Perhaps you forgot.

You are once again reliving past losses of yours rather than dealing with the OP. Why can't you deal with the OP?

Oh my more untruthfulness. Please post me a link? I do enjoy our chats even if there is no truth in what you say here

Take Care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry dear friend, your words do not mean much to me if you just make up things that are not true and cannot prove anything you say. Others can see and have pointed out the same things to you. I am just enjoying my pretend popcorn

Oh look you continue to run away and make false claims about me.

Why am I not surprised. I gave you reasons why your exegesis fails. Quite a few of the facts are things you should have learned by middle school.

I think for once I will go back and get my post and copy and paste it for you until you quit running away.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure you did. Did you want me to post the links for you again? Perhaps you forgot.

Yes you make false personal claims and accusations you were not able to prove when challenged. Did you need me to post the links as evidence? Perhaps you forgot.

Oh my more untruthfulness. Please post me a link? I do enjoy our chats even if there is no truth in what you say here

Take Care.

You keep forgetting that you do not know how to link properly You would have to post a link, quote from it, and explain how it supports you. If you just post links you are merely admitting that you are wrong again.

And you do not get to demand links until you learn how to link properly youirself.

Meanwhile here is a copy and paste of the post that you have been running away from:

I already did. You seem to have no answer. But let's try again. You seem to base your exegesis on events that never happened. The six day creation myth, never happened. The Moses and the Ten Commandments story. the whole Moses thing did not happen Was there a rather small group of ancestors to the ancient Hebrews in Egypt? Maybe, but the stories themselves appear to be legend at best. So what is your basis of the claim that Saturday is special?

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh look you continue to run away and make false claims about me. Why am I not surprised.

Your untruthfulness makes me smile because you are unable to prove what you say

I gave you reasons why your exegesis fails. Quite a few of the facts are things you should have learned by middle school.

I see more untruthful words and no evidence to support those untruthful words. You just made statement that my exegesis failed without showing what exegesis you are talking about and why it failed. Please post me a like to your claims above. If you cannot why make stuff up that are not true?

I think for once I will go back and get my post and copy and paste it for you until you quit running away.

Please be honest here post the linked post for all to see, so that context can be read into the discussion. If you can't your only hiding things because you know you have already lost in being unable to prove what you say.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

You keep forgetting that you do not know how to link properly You would have to post a link, quote from it, and explain how it supports you. If you just post links you are merely admitting that you are wrong again.

Well none of that is true. This has been already done for you on a number of occasions now. Every time an explanation, and linked posts were provided to you as evidence to support those explanations, you then run away and ignored them.

And you do not get to demand links until you learn how to link properly youirself.

Sure I do as I have already been linking properly. You seem to not understand what burden of proof is. If you make claims and accusations then the burden of proof is on you to prove your claims and accusations. If you cannot prove what you say, why make things up that are not truthful?

Meanwhile here is a copy and paste of the post that you have been running away from:I already did. You seem to have no answer. But let's try again. You seem to base your exegesis on events that never happened. The six day creation myth, never happened. The Moses and the Ten Commandments story. the whole Moses thing did not happen Was there a rather small group of ancestors to the ancient Hebrews in Egypt? Maybe, but the stories themselves appear to be legend at best. So what is your basis of the claim that Saturday is special

Your untruthfulness here is amazing. Link me your copy and paste and show me where I have not answered you? You here are making a claim that Genesis never happened and is a myth and I am pretty sure I said to you already if you believe that Genesis never happened then the burden of proof is on you to prove that Genesis never happened. You have provided nothing to support your premise that Genesis never happened so once again you lose by not being able to support what you say. Also you have forgotten that this is a scripture debate section of the forum. We are debating scripture and the OP is not about Genesis but what day is "the Lords day" to which you have not contributed a single thing accept to make empty claims and personal accusations you have not been able to prove. Then when challenged to provide evidence to support your claims you never do and run away. You do indeed make me smile even if there is no truthfulness in what you say.

Take Care

 

[samtonga43]

Meanwhile here is a copy and paste of the post that you have been running away from:

I already did. You seem to have no answer. But let's try again. You seem to base your exegesis on events that never happened. The six day creation myth, never happened. The Moses and the Ten Commandments story. the whole Moses thing did not happen

See my emphasis.
These are positive claims.
The burden of proof rests with those making positive claims.

That’s you, SZ.

Don’t run away.

 

[samtonga43]

Ummm…. Did I refer to the Bible when I said that 3rdAngel prayed to me for an answer….?

Soapy, please try to understand. 3rdAngel did not pray to you.

You now realise the grave error you made and are now trying to put false claims towards j my E to cover yourself.

What?

Everyone can read the post dud themself

LOL! Soapy, I would advise you to refrain from advising others on written expression.

This manner of destructive criticism marks you out as someone willing to do anything to try to win a debate - but you fail at every step with this one….

We are not engaged in a debate, Soapy. What’s happening here is not a debate.

What? You thought I might be a pushover? You thought you had something on me?

“Something on you”? What does this mean?

Read the scripture where a man who did not have the support of the spirit of God tried to exorcise a demon spirit - The demon Spirit turned on him and mutilated the man….!!

You are not a demon spirit, Soapy. Please stop entertaining thoughts like this. It is not healthy.

I pray you to go back to disagreeing with someone else - you are not qualified in this thread regarding the debate between 3rdAngel and myself!!

If you are determined to use the 18th century secular version of the word ‘pray’ at least try to use it correctly. Nobody but you would ever say the words I have bolded. They make no sense.

 

[3rdAngel]

See my emphasis.
These are positive claims.
The burden of proof rests with those making positive claims.

That’s you, SZ.

Don’t run away.

Thanks sis. Happy others can see it. I am not sure why SZ cannot.

 

[Subduction Zone]

See my emphasis.
These are positive claims.
The burden of proof rests with those making positive claims.

That’s you, SZ.

Don’t run away.

Well duh! This has already been explained to you. You need to work on your listening skills. I have already told you that my discussion is with 3rd on this topic. And you refuse to make your beliefs clear. If you clearly state your beliefs I would gladly include you too.

But of course I can support that positive claim.

Refusing to discuss something with a person too afraid to state their own personal beliefs is not running away.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks sis. Happy others can see it. I am not sure why SZ cannot.

That is because you are running away not me.

I will gladly support my claims. But I am not going to lecture into the air. If you are done running away can we have a discussion? Or are you going to run away some more?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your untruthfulness makes me smile because you are unable to prove what you say

I see more untruthful words and no evidence to support those untruthful words. You just made statement that my exegesis failed without showing what exegesis you are talking about and why it failed. Please post me a like to your claims above. If you cannot why make stuff up that are no
Please be honest here post the linked post for all to see, so that context can be read into the discussion. If you can't your only hiding things because you know you have already lost in being unable to prove what you say.

Take Care.

Where have I been untruthful? You have never shown that. Please learn how to properly support your claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well none of that is true. This has been already done for you on a number of occasions now. Every time an explanation, and linked posts were provided to you as evidence to support those explanations, you then run away and ignored them.

Sure I do as I have already been linking properly. You seem to not understand what burden of proof is. If you make claims and accusations then the burden of proof is on you to prove your claims and accusations. If you cannot prove what you say, why make things up that are not truthful?

Your untruthfulness here is amazing. Link me your copy and paste and show me where I have not answered you? You here are making a claim that Genesis never happened and is a myth and I am pretty sure I said to you already if you believe that Genesis never happened then the burden of proof is on you to prove that Genesis never happened. You have provided nothing to support your premise that Genesis never happened so once again you lose by not being able to support what you say. Also you have forgotten that this is a scripture debate section of the forum. We are debating scripture and the OP is not about Genesis but what day is "the Lords day" to which you have not contributed a single thing accept to make empty claims and personal accusations you have not been able to prove. Then when challenged to provide evidence to support your claims you never do and run away. You do indeed make me smile even if there is no truthfulness in what you say.

Take Care

There is no need to copy and paste. You ran away in the post of yours that I am answering right now.

Once again you demonstrate that you do not understand the burden of proof.

And of course you ran away from the discussion again.