"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Muffled]

Believing Gods Word is not brainwashing. Its called saving faith where our salvation comes from according to the scriptures (see Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17 and James 2:13-26). Anything else according to James is the dead faith of devils.

I believe you have been brainwashed into a false belief about the word of God.

 

[Muffled]

Sorry its not my concept of sin its Gods and is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods 10 Commandments and not believing and obeying what Gods Word says (see James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7 and Romans 14:23). Of course this includes Gods seventh day Sabbath which is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7).

Take Care.

I Don't believe your ideas are God's ideas.

 

[Muffled]

So your saying what Jesus Christ said, himself in
Matthew 11:28--"Come unto me all you that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest"

There you have it straight from Jesus Christ himself.
To come unto him and he will give you rest.
Now if you go from the book of Acts to Revelation.
You will not find any command to keep the Sabbath day.
And why is that ??

Because we are now under the New testament scriptures sealed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Wherefore we now Rest in The Lord Jesus Christ and not on any day of the week no more

I believe there is yet a rest from out labors and from worldliness. So it is good to have a day off from work and it is good to set aside a day to worship God. I do both and both of my days are Sunday.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Sorry its not my concept of sin its Gods and is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods 10 Commandments and not believing and obeying what Gods Word says (see James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7 and Romans 14:23). Of course this includes Gods seventh day Sabbath which is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7).

Your response here..

I Don't believe your ideas are God's ideas.

I did not post my ideas. I posted Gods Word that disagrees with your words that are not Gods Word. So your argument is with God not me. Take it up with God whose words you are arguing against. According to the scriptures ignoring Gods Word does not make them disappear. I do not judge you but according to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day *see Matthew 12:47-48.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe you have been brainwashed into a false belief about the word of God.

Believing Gods Word is not brainwashing. Its called saving faith where our salvation comes from according to the scriptures (see Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17 and James 2:13-26). Anything else according to James is the dead faith of devils.

 

[3rdAngel]

So no scripture in the entire bible that teaches that "the Lords day" is Sunday? Sunday worship as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment is simply a man-made teaching that is unsupported by the scriptures.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So no scripture in the entire bible that teaches that "the Lords day" is Sunday? Sunday worship as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment is simply a man-made teaching that is unsupported by the scriptures.

The only time the exact expression "the Lord's Day" is used in the Bible is in Revelation, and it does not tell which day of the week it is. So in order to know which day early Christians were referring to, you have to go to other, non Biblical, Christian writings such as the letters of the Apostolic Fathers. There you learn that "the Lord's Day" refers to Sunday.

IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 110])


JUSTIN MARTYR
“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155])


EPISTLE OF BARNABAS
The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but that which I have made, in which I will give rest to all thmgs and make the beginning of an eighth day, that is the beginning of another world.

 

[3rdAngel]

The only time the exact expression "the Lord's Day" is used in the Bible is in Revelation, and it does not tell which day of the week it is. So in order to know which day early Christians were referring to, you have to go to other, non Biblical, Christian writings such as the letters of the Apostolic Fathers. There you learn that "the Lord's Day" refers to Sunday.

IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 110])


JUSTIN MARTYR
“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155])


EPISTLE OF BARNABAS
The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but that which I have made, in which I will give rest to all thmgs and make the beginning of an eighth day, that is the beginning of another world.

So no scripture right to show Sunday is the Lords day right? Did you read the OP?

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)
• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

............................

Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So no scripture right to show Sunday is the Lords day right? Did you read the OP?

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)
• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

............................

Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

Take Care.

Your post is too long to read--I often have problem with your lack of succinctness. I made my case, and I stand by it. From a cursory scan of your post, you are quoting a lot of other verses that do not mention "the Lord's Day." Thus, they are meaningless for the conversation. Be well.

 

[3rdAngel]

Your post is too long to read--I often have problem with your lack of succinctness. I made my case, and I stand by it. From a cursory scan of your post, you are quoting a lot of other verses that do not mention "the Lord's Day." Thus, they are meaningless for the conversation. Be well.

I like to post the details and all evidence supporting what is being said in my posts. Read the post and the scriptures provided. They prove from the bible that "the Lords day" is not Sunday according to the scriptures but the Sabbath day as well as show the Greek word meanings of Revelation 1:10 and application to what day the Lord claims ownership over in the old and new testament scriptures. Your unwillingness to read posts and respond to them when the evidence is against you is your loss not mine.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I like to post the details and all evidence supporting what is being said in my posts. Read the post and the scriptures provided. They prove from the bible that "the Lords day" is not Sunday according to the scriptures but the Sabbath day as well as show the Greek word meanings of Revelation 1:10 and application to what day the Lord claims ownership over in the old and new testament scriptures. Your unwillingness to read posts and respond to them when the evidence is against you is your loss not mine.

I can't prove what the Lord's Day is from the scriptures, because the Scriptures don't say. I said that in my first post on this topic. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW which day of the week is the Lord's Day, you have NO OTHER CHOICE except to go to Christian writings outside the Bible. I did that. I showed you it was Sunday. You just don't want to hear it.

Again, you quoting random verses does not make your case.

 

[3rdAngel]

I can't prove what the Lord's Day is from the scriptures, because the Scriptures don't say. I said that in my first post on this topic. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW which day of the week is the Lord's Day, you have NO OTHER CHOICE except to go to Christian writings outside the Bible. I did that. I showed you it was Sunday. You just don't want to hear it.

Again, you quoting random verses does not make your case.

Well there is no truth in anything you have said in your post above.. If you disagree respond post # 2408 linked that you choose to ignore that shows from the scriptures what day the Lords day is. If you cannot than why close your eyes and ears and deny what the scriptures say and pretent the scriptures in Matthew 12:8 and elsewhere in the Old Testament already posted do not exist? In response you say you are not going to read my post and scriptures that are in disagreement with you and have not provided a single scripture stating "The Lords day" is Sunday and it is evident that you did not even read the OP here. All you have provided so far is your unbiblical opinion unsupported by the scriptures. That is not what the OP is asking for. You might be better off reading the OP next time before responding.

Take Care.

 

[Jimmy]

Everyday is the lords day imo

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well there is no truth in anything you have said

Discussion over.

 

[3rdAngel]

Discussion over.

Silence its ok, you do not have to address the scriptures and the posts that are in disagreement with you if you do not want to its up to you.

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Silence its ok, you do not have to address the scriptures and the posts that are in disagreement with you if you do not want to its up to you.

Take Care.

No, I just refuse to try to have a conversation with someone who doesn't know how to have a coherant discussion. Go ahead, you can have the last word.

 

[3rdAngel]

No, I just refuse to try to have a conversation with someone who doesn't know how to have a coherant discussion. Go ahead, you can have the last word.

You are free to do as you like dear friend but if you bothered to read my posts pehaps the discussion would be coherent to you. Since you do not then there is no point in us talking about anything. You were provided scripture in direct disagreement with you then refused to address the posts shared with you that was scripture in direct disagreement with you. Then when challenged you wanted to take the easy ways out to run away without addressing anything that has been posted to you that is in direct disagreement with you from the scriptures. As posted earlier you do not have to address the scriptures and the posts that are in disagreement with you if you do not want to its up to you. Perhaps you can pray about it. (Isaiah 6:9-10 will be helpful for you).

Take care.

 

[Muffled]

Your response here..

I did not post my ideas. I posted Gods Word that disagrees with your words that are not Gods Word. So your argument is with God not me. Take it up with God whose words you are arguing against. According to the scriptures ignoring Gods Word does not make them disappear. I do not judge you but according to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day *see Matthew 12:47-48.

Take Care.

I believe your idea of God's word is not His idea of what should be.

 

[Muffled]

Believing Gods Word is not brainwashing. Its called saving faith where our salvation comes from according to the scriptures (see Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17 and James 2:13-26). Anything else according to James is the dead faith of devils.

So then are you claiming you reached your conclusions by independent study of God's word instead of being taught?

 

[Muffled]

So no scripture in the entire bible that teaches that "the Lords day" is Sunday? Sunday worship as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment is simply a man-made teaching that is unsupported by the scriptures.

I believe one must have evidence that it is man made and I am sure there is none. I believe it is most likely that it comes form the Holy Spirit and therefore is only partially scriptural. I believe John refers to the Lord's day in Rev, 1:10.