The lost books and Gnostic scriptures vs bible

[12jtartar]

Life.period,
The Bible tells us that God, Himself inspired the Bible to be written as a message to mankind, 2Timothy 3:16,17. God, Himself, has promised that He would protect His words from every generation, Psalms 12:6,7. It is also written that His word will endure forever, Isaiah 40:8, 1Peter 1:25. If God allowed His word to be corrupted, it would not be His word. Jesus said that God's word is true, John 17:17.
So the reason for believing only the Bible, when it comes to doctrine, is because only the Bible is completely accurate.
If you want to read some of the other Pseudo books, you can, and some of them are good for information not contained in the ahold Scriptures. The only thing is; you can't be sure what they say is true, because they were not inspired by God.
The Apostles of the first century, were the recognized authority for all Scripture. They knew, and would have made sure that all Christians knew which books belonged in the Bible canon. They knew which were inspired by God!!!
If you are looking for truth in doctrine, look only to the Bible!!!

 

[buddhist]

The Bible tells us ... If you want to read some of the other Pseudo books... you can't be sure what they say is true, because they were not inspired by God.The Apostles of the first century, were the recognized authority for all Scripture. They knew, and would have made sure that all Christians knew which books belonged in the Bible canon..

How do you know that the Apostles authorized the books you consider the legitimate Bible, if you weren't there?

 

[Valjean]

So the reason for believing only the Bible, when it comes to doctrine, is because only the Bible is completely accurate.
If you want to read some of the other Pseudo books, you can, and some of them are good for information not contained in the ahold Scriptures. The only thing is; you can't be sure what they say is true, because they were not inspired by God.

But the bible has more contradictions, edits, errors and absurdities than a hound dog has fleas.
What makes you think the scriptures were inspired by God, especially considering the above?

 

[Riders]

Ive noticed, when I confront my sister on this shell admit it" It can become very confusing, but you have to sit down and read it like it was meant to be read ask God how he wants you to read it and go back and things up 2 plus 2 if you really sit and think about it you'll come up with the answer".

In other words she sat out to make up her mind about the bible being true and the Christian God being perfectly right before she read all of the bible and its mistakes and took on the attitude of, Ive sold out to this religion so Im going to add things up over and over untill I can make mental gymnastics enough to make it sound true so I can make this religion be true for me.So if it has mistakes Ill make it right in my mind somehow.

If you have to add things up over and over and do mental gymnastics to make the bible true because your sold on your church somethings wrong. I trully believe alot of Christians do this, instead of being real and genuine they jsut make up their mind about the church before they really do any real bible studying. Truthfully alot of Christians don't even know the bible.

 

[Acim]

None of these texts (gospels included) are authentic Word of God.
That's within you, in all of what God created.
Holy Spirit, without fail, will guide you to teaching situations where you may gain greater understanding (as a student) and/or where you may share those understandings (as teacher).
If revelation from the Divine is what you seek, and not (for whatever reason) looking at that from within, then there are countless examples of it all around. For those with ears with which to listen and eyes with which to see. Just realize God is very much alive and has literally never stopped communicating with humanity. To conclude otherwise is the stuff blasphemy is made of.

 

[Valjean]

I'm skeptical of this Holy Spirit, as well. It seems to have inspired the early church against the Jews, one Christian sect against another and all against the Moors. It moved the early Church fathers to declare some gospels heretical and keep others.
In the New World it moved the Catholics to exterminate or enslave the natives. It inspired the Massachusetts Puritans to read the Bible one way; the Pennsylvania Quakers, another way and the Maryland Catholics yet another. Later, it moved Southern Protestants to see slavery as biblically ordained and the 'damned Yankees' to completely miss this point -- though they both agreed women should be under the dominion of their husbands.

This Holy Spirit , it seems to me, is as inconstant as the wind. It generally moves men to interpret God's message as supporting whatever opinions are currently held by the leaders of any given society. It's no more consistent than the Bible itself.

 

[12jtartar]

But the bible has more contradictions, edits, errors and absurdities than a hound dog has fleas.
What makes you think the scriptures were inspired by God, especially considering the above?

Valigean,
Please let me explain something to you. Everything about a subject is not written in one place in the Bible. Scriptures explain Scripture!!! There is a term, Intertextuality, which means that every Scripture is related to other Scripture. Scriptures can be complementary, a fortiori, they can modify other Scripture!! The Bible is Univocal, it tells one story, and is always true, no matter what subject it is speaking about.
The Bible is NEVER contradictory!!! If you understand what the whole Bible message is from God you can easily understand His word.
If you have listened or read many different religions you can get confused, because they all teach different doctrines, with some even contradicting what others believe.
The Bible tells us that there is ONE Faith, Ephesians 4:3-6. This one religion will be different from all others, it will not have any different teachings, or any divisions, 1Corinthians 1:10. The people will not be a part of the world, such as politics, or taking part in wars, James 4:4, 1John 2:15-17, John 18:36, Matthew 26:52, Revelation 13:10.
The Bible tells us that God will protect His word, so that truth will always be there if you search for it, Proverbs 2:1-9.
If God allowed His word to be corrupted, He would not be able to judge the world, because the Bible is God's message to all mankind, Romans 3:5,6. If the Bible is corrupted, it is no longer God's word, Psalms 12:6,7, Isaiah 40:8, 1Peter 1:25.
That does not mean that every Bible is exact in every Scripture, but if you compare several Bibles, you will find that any mistake in one will not be in others, so that any error is easily found.
Your statements tell me that you have a very superficial understanding of God's word. The fact is that the Bible is the only book on earth that can truly be trusted.
If you truly want to understand the Holy Scriptures, you must pray to God, and try to make your heart receptive, 1Corinthians 2:10, Matthew 13:13-15. God has made it easy for sincere people to understand His word, Luke 10:21, but impossible for the ones wise in their own eyes, or the wicked, Daniel 12:10.
If there is a particular subject you want to understand, I would b very happy to explain what the truth is, from the Bible.
AGAPE!!!

 

[12jtartar]

How do you know that the Apostles authorized the books you consider the legitimate Bible, if you weren't there?

God was there, and He wants all mankind to live, He does not want to destroy anyone, 2Peter 3:9. God is going to produce a paradise on earth for all people who love Him, and it would be impossible to have a paradise if people were like most people today. The very first thing all must do, is to Love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and body, and love your neighbor as yourself. Do you really believe that most people fulfill those commandments??? Matthew 22:36-40.
Anyone who loves God will study His word, and learn His requirements are to live forever on a paradise earth.

 

[12jtartar]

I'm skeptical of this Holy Spirit, as well. It seems to have inspired the early church against the Jews, one Christian sect against another and all against the Moors. It moved the early Church fathers to declare some gospels heretical and keep others.
In the New World it moved the Catholics to exterminate or enslave the natives. It inspired the Massachusetts Puritans to read the Bible one way; the Pennsylvania Quakers, another way and the Maryland Catholics yet another. Later, it moved Southern Protestants to see slavery as biblically ordained and the 'damned Yankees' to completely miss this point -- though they both agreed women should be under the dominion of their husbands.

This Holy Spirit , it seems to me, is as inconstant as the wind. It generally moves men to interpret God's message as supporting whatever opinions are currently held by the leaders of any given society. It's no more consistent than the Bible itself.

Valjean,
I surely can't argue with you, in all you have stated. The truth is this is exactly what the Bible said. Many would claim to be followers of Christ, but would prove false, by their actions, Titus 1:16. Consider what Jesus said at Luke 13:23,24, and Matthew 7:13,14, 21-23. Consider what Paul said at Acts 20:29,30. Look also at the warning from Peter at 2Peter 2:1-3. Consider, especially how the warning is expressed, so much like it is today, 2Timothy 4:2-4.
After the Apostles died, it was warned that there would be a great Apostasy, or falling away from truth of God's word. This falling away has occurred until today, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12.
One of the reasons that people fell away from following in the footsteps of Jesus, is because ALL who follow Christ WILL be persecuted, 2Timothy 3:12, John 15:17-21.
All must be footstep followers of Jesus, if they want to live in a paradise earth, 1Peter 2:21, and love God above all things and love our neighbor as ourselves.
Do many you know of fulfill those requirements???
Pray and study God's word, the Bible, it's mankind's only hope!!!
AGAPE!!!

 

[buddhist]

God was there...

OK, how do you know that God was there?

 

[Rival]

The Gnostic Gospels were written later than the four Gospels (some as late was 140 A.D.) and the material in them was never taken seriously (except for perhaps the Gospel of Peter, which a Priest had let his congregation read before delving into it himself and then declaring it to contain some heretical material, sometime in the 2ndC. I think).

The things written in the Gnostic Gospel accounts simply did not match with what was found in the Old Testament, which is of course what the new Church was building its faith upon. The Gnostics held ideas contradictory to Jewish orthodoxy, i.e. ideas found within the Torah, Prophets, etc. By the 1st century a clear picture of Christian Orthodoxy has already emerged, as we can see from reading Paul's and others' epistles. From the beginning we see clear teachings such as Christ coming in the flesh (and not, as some gnostics would have it, spirit merely resembling flesh), the doctrine of Christ's atonement for sins and so on. Gnostic teachings contradict both the Old Testament and earliest New testament writings, so they simply did not stand a chance.

As the gnostic gospels were written later than the four Gospels, the issue of whether or not a true apostle had written them was not even considered (the 12 especially would have been dead, Judas killed himself after the fact so could not possibly have authored a gospel, let alone people like Mary). Luke in his gospels relates that the gospels were written 'by those eyewitnesses', (i.e, Mark was written under the guidance of Peter, John and Matthew were apostles, Luke was a contemporary of Paul and also wrote Acts), so why let gospels written by those not eyewitnesses who were not even contemporaries of Jesus, which don't match with the four earlier, eyewitness accounts, be included? A book had to have apostolic authority in order to be contained in the NT, which none of the gnostic gospels ever had.

There's no huge plot to keep the gnostics out; the gnostics keep themselves out by rejecting the original Jewish faith, God and so on.

 

[ukok102nak]

Its a debate not looking for verification Im putting up a debate debate or not its up to yall. The question is which scriptures were more authentic?

~;> probably
theres no method that will recognize
how authentic the writtings of humans before
if there is something that is known as
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man

as long as
there is a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
every method shall be disregarded
everytime
someone will ask which scriptures were more authentic
regarding upon what is written
especially when someone will compare it unto the
written words of god
if we may say so


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godbless
unto all always