CatholicVoice
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Do you think there is a difference, or not? If so, what are the differences?
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The major difference between creationism and intelligent design
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Unveiled Artist
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Little knowledge I know, creationism is the belief the universe was created by the divine. The latter is saying our universe is designed well, so only a creator can design it. They go hand in hand.
Thats about it
Skwim
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
picnic
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How are these different?
- theist who believes in evolution
- theist who believes in theistic evolution
- theist who believes in intelligent design
(assume the theist believes in a creator god)
I think they are all the same. Jews, Christians, and Muslims cannot claim to believe in evolution. There was no guarantee that humans would evolve or that anything as intelligent as humans would evolve. God can't take credit for creating humans unless he took an active role to ensure that humans (or some equivalent) evolved. Evolution doesn't allow God to be active in the process.
- theist who believes in evolution
- theist who believes in theistic evolution
- theist who believes in intelligent design
(assume the theist believes in a creator god)
I think they are all the same. Jews, Christians, and Muslims cannot claim to believe in evolution. There was no guarantee that humans would evolve or that anything as intelligent as humans would evolve. God can't take credit for creating humans unless he took an active role to ensure that humans (or some equivalent) evolved. Evolution doesn't allow God to be active in the process.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
God can tweak a molecule.....any time He wants to
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Why do people want to tell me what I can or can not believe in??? I have no issues with evolution, creationism (on my terms) and Christianity.
First, find a passage that says "Thou shalt not commit evolution!" First rule of Scuba applies: I won't be holding my breath.
Second, consider baking a cake. The baker mixes all the ingredients, puts it in an oven and watches it evolve into a cake. The cook obviously created the cake using various tools and supplies. Why can't God use evolution?
Third, it's my belief that God created the physical laws that govern us. He simply mixed everything together and has waited patiently.
Fourth, the scriptures claim we were created in God's image. It also suggests that God is spirit. Our similarity is not a physical one: it's spiritual. Like God, we are sentient and so are a few other 'higher orders' of mammals. Anathema? I don't care what others think of me. I rarely have. We tend to be overly exclusive as a species. Look at how people were shaking their heads when Jesus talked to the Samaritan woman. They thought he had lost his mind, for they didn't consider Samaritans to be actually human. God is not blinded by such cultural biases. He is love after all. Those who love have the germ of God within them. His image. My puppy has more God in here than a lot of humans I know. Don't agree with me? Fine. It's my fantasy and I'm quite content in my quest to emulate God's love for others... even my puppy, Fang, aka Fangsta the Gangsta of Love.
Historically, intelligent design was just a renaming of creationism.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I hit enter too quickly!
Creationism in America is a political, not a religious question. They use it to try and separate the OKs from the NOKs. Make no doubt about it, it's all about exclusion, bias and bigotry. In other words it's about power and making sure the OKs are in charge. NOK= Not Our Kind
NOK, NOK, who's there?
Creationism in America is a political, not a religious question. They use it to try and separate the OKs from the NOKs. Make no doubt about it, it's all about exclusion, bias and bigotry. In other words it's about power and making sure the OKs are in charge. NOK= Not Our Kind
NOK, NOK, who's there?
Not me!
picnic
Active Member
This is an interesting issue. How many molecules can God tweak before scientists would feel that the changes to the genome were driven by something other than random mutations, natural selection, etc.?
I find YEC a much more useful concept. It provides useful information because it is falsifiable. Falsifiable just means that you can gather evidence for or against the concept. ID doesn't have that. Anything could be intelligently designed and whether anything is or not doesn't change anything.
So, if you can find things much older than about 6000 years old you can tell that the Bible was written by primitive people who just didn't know any better. They did not have special access to knowledge unavailable to us. YEC is definitely a useful concept.
Tom
So, if you can find things much older than about 6000 years old you can tell that the Bible was written by primitive people who just didn't know any better. They did not have special access to knowledge unavailable to us. YEC is definitely a useful concept.
Tom
picnic
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With a cake, we mix together the ingredients and know that we are going to get a cake. Not all chocolate cakes are identical, but they are similar. I'm not sure we can say that about evolution. Was intelligent life of some kind inevitable on Earth with the right starting ingredients? Or was it more probable that intelligent life would never exist on Earth?
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
It's my opinion that evolution will always result in sentience. If you look at parallel evolution, it's quite amazing how similar animals fill similar niches during their time. Ichthyosaurs were incredibly similar to dolphins and filled the very same ecological niche. OK, so their tails were bent the wrong way, but the similarities are quite eerie. They were quite the draw at the Cromagnum's Sea World.
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Yes, I think there is a difference. Intelligent design merges fine with all known science. Creationism does not.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Creation is very general.
Intelligent design means, God made things with processes of
creation AND guidance-at-each-step-of-evolution.
Example of intelligent design Ear of Bat @ https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_12.html
Guided evolution @ https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_8.html
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Father Heathen
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Sure they can. The concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
leibowde84
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Creationism doesn't allow for evolution, while intelligent design does.