The Meaning Of Heaven

[Elliott]

The resurrection isn’t the second coming

Okay, putting the resurrection aside, where do our souls go when we die?

 

[Jimmy]

Okay, putting the resurrection aside, where do our souls go when we die?

Jesus says "This is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (John 6:39).

All will be resurrected on the last day. Right now the dead are “asleep”.

 

[Elliott]

Jesus says "This is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (John 6:39).

All will be resurrected on the last day. Right now the dead are “asleep”.

I guess this means there's no explicit reference in the Bible to a spiritual place called Heaven or something where the dead wait. Okay.

 

[Jimmy]

I guess this means there's no explicit reference in the Bible to a spiritual place called Heaven or something where the dead wait. Okay.

Heaven= universe

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Jesus says "This is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (John 6:39).

I don't consider the Bible a reliable source for learning about the afterlife or being authoritative on anything else, especially spiritual or supernatural.

All will be resurrected on the last day. Right now the dead are “asleep”.

This is one of the common beliefs that Christians hold regarding what happens to the dead, based on their own interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Ebionite]

The Bible tells us that a new heaven and earth will come. That means we will live on a new earth and in a new heaven.

The book of Ezekiel describes a city that is located in the middle east, but the geography is different.

 

[Jimmy]

I don't consider the Bible a reliable source for learning about the afterlife or being authoritative on anything else, especially spiritual or supernatural.



This is one of the common beliefs that Christians hold regarding what happens to the dead, based on their own interpretation of the Bible.

All of Christian beliefs are based on interpretation and I happen to agree with this one as many many others

 

[alf]

We will have everlasting life when Jesus returns with a new earth and heaven.

What if you don't like what Jesus will do when He comes?

Example..
It is the nature of Jesus to sacrifice himself for humanity. What if he decides to bury the thought of his existence, so that those who remain will live in peace and harmony...in that new heaven and earth.

Will you also lie down with your god in the hole, for the sake of others?

 

[Jimmy]

What if you don't like what Jesus will do when He comes?

Example..
It is the nature of Jesus to sacrifice himself for humanity. What if he decides to bury the thought of his existence, so that those who remain will live in peace and harmony...in that new heaven and earth.

Will you also lie down with your god in the hole, for the sake of others?

I would hope that I would be grateful for the life that God has given me and live with joy and humility.

 

[alf]

I would hope that I would be grateful for the life that God has given me and live with joy and humility.

Then give what is God's to God.

If Jesus died for everyone, you as his believer, and he as your god, why don't you die for just one person, why are you waiting for someone else to bring you a new heaven and a new earth?

 

[Jimmy]

Then give what is God's to God.

If Jesus died for everyone, you as his believer, and he as your god, why don't you die for just one person, why are you waiting for someone else to bring you a new heaven and a new earth?

“I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25).

 

[InChrist]

Then give what is God's to God.

If Jesus died for everyone, you as his believer, and he as your god, why don't you die for just one person, why are you waiting for someone else to bring you a new heaven and a new earth?

Why should or would a believer die for someone when Jesus died once and for all?


“For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.”
Hebrews 7:26-28

 

[Trailblazer]

I see where you could think that but I’m really being sincere.

I know that because I know you, even though I never met you.

 

[alf]

“I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25).

James 2​

18 But someone will say, “One person has faith, another has actions.” My answer is, “Show me how anyone can have faith without actions. I will show you my faith by my actions.”
19 Do you believe that there is only one God? Good! The demons also believe—and tremble with fear.
20 You fool! Do you want to be shown that faith without actions is useless?

 

[Trailblazer]

Where is that said in the Bible? Could heaven be just higher state of existence (similar to body, mind and thoughts)?

In the Baha'i Faith heaven is a state of a soul who is near to God in mind and heart.
As such one can be 'in heaven' in this life as well as in the next life, which is lived in the spiritual world.

 

[Trailblazer]

Okay, putting the resurrection aside, where do our souls go when we die?

I believe that our souls leave this earth and go to a spiritual world.
We cannot know much about the spiritual world since it has never been described in any scriptures.

“The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 155-158

 

[Trailblazer]

What if you don't like what Jesus will do when He comes?

I would not worry too much about that since Jesus is not coming back to this world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Why can't people read and understand plain English? It's not that difficult.
No more means no further, never again.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why should or would a believer die for someone when Jesus died once and for all?

Indeed, there would be no need, since Jesus finished that work once and for all.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

 

[Jimmy]

I know that because I know you, even though I never met you.

Thank you

 

[Jimmy]

James 2​

18 But someone will say, “One person has faith, another has actions.” My answer is, “Show me how anyone can have faith without actions. I will show you my faith by my actions.”
19 Do you believe that there is only one God? Good! The demons also believe—and tremble with fear.
20 You fool! Do you want to be shown that faith without actions is useless?

Not sure how this is related.