The Miracle of Water.

[Jose Fly]

Why do you many times deflect by asking questions? Your tactic won’t work with me anymore.

You're dodging. Behe has offered multiple definitions for "irreducible complexity" over the years, so in a discussion of IC it's important to clarify which one we're talking about.

So which definition are you using?

Nope, read the literature...they haven’t found any obvious precursors. You want (need?) to believe they have, I guess.

Ah, and there's the defense mechanism. You make up your own standard where a precursor has to be "obvious", and if a specimen doesn't meet that standard you can dismiss it. And who decides what is and isn't "obvious"? You of course!

Rather convenient.....and obvious.

My rebuttal was the sheer diversity of living things....didn’t you get that?

Um....okay then.

To the point where an eye (or other anatomical feature) is forming? Show me the observed transitional pathways.
Evolution of the eye is simple, according to Dawkins. You’ve got an organism that’s developing photo receptors, or some early stages of eye evolution? Any perceived novel anatomical evolution arising? Please, let’s see it.

And yet another defense mechanism pops up. This time it's redefining "macroevolution" to mean "evolution of an eye", and since we haven't directly observed an eye evolving in real time, you can dismiss it.

Again, rather obvious on your part.

I do believe that macro occurs among lower taxa, maybe up to the Family level...but no new Families are developing.

And that's primarily because that's the limit of what Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to accept, correct?

Because this thread isn’t about that. Is it?

This discussion is about that, most certainly. But again I notice how reluctant you are to discuss the role your faith plays in shaping your views on science. I'm still not sure what to make of that.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Miracle of Water

Can humans exist without water?
So, water is a miraculous boon for the humans to live.

Regards
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[21:31]اَوَ لَمۡ یَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡۤا اَنَّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ کَانَتَا رَتۡقًا فَفَتَقۡنٰہُمَا ؕ وَ جَعَلۡنَا مِنَ الۡمَآءِ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ حَیٍّ ؕ اَفَلَا یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ﴿۳۱﴾
Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 21: Al-Anbiya'

 

[tas8831]

Did the trees exist before this experiment with the mice?
Is the phylogenetic tree a hypothesis?

Wow - forgot about that absurdity - talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect....

 

[ChristineM]

Wow - forgot about that absurdity - talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect....

Now thats stumped him...

 

[tas8831]

Where in the bible is there an explanation for the transmutation of silicates into bio-organic molecules as would be required to make a man from dust?

Does science know the answer to that question? Does science know how life began? We have a belief....what do you have?

Hilarious how the creationists asks if 'science' has the answer to the biblical literalist's belief in the truth of the Genesis story of creation!!

Also note that the creationist considers "belief" to be sufficient to accept as true.

And they attack US for not having as much evidence for something to make THEM 'believe'...

 

[Riders]

Hilarious how the creationists asks if 'science' has the answer to the biblical literalist's belief in the truth of the Genesis story of creation!!

Also note that the creationist considers "belief" to be sufficient to accept as true.

And they attack US for not having as much evidence for something to make THEM 'believe'...

It's faith but it's not science.

 

[tas8831]

A shame that @Deeje never replied to this with anything other than bland dismissals and re-assertions of the same conspiracy-kook stuff....

Yes.
The truly ignorant think nearly all conspiracy theories are 100% true, and then engage in confirmation bias and the bandwagon effect, followed by the backfire effect, and along with a healthy dose of the Dunning-Kruger effect, convince themselves that they know more than they really do. Like when you declared there to be no evidence for evolution, and upon my presenting you with some, actually wanted me to dumb it down for you to then dismiss because you couldn't understand the evidence that you claim does not exist.

But thanks for the insult! Very Jesus-like.


No, I think people like you are ignorant, and your ignorance drives you to think yourselves more intelligent and well-informed that you really are.

I think that was pretty well established in your venture into evolution, but I'm betting you still think you came out on top in those 'discussions'; as well.


The bible also says it is OK to kill unborn children if they are in the uterus of a woman that does not worship Jehovah, so forgive me for not putting much stock in any of that. Hosea 13:16


And here we go - you are an expert on cancer, too?



How many people die from cancer with no chemo?

I agree that most insurance companies are run by greedy, evil jerks. But then you go down this road:


What paradigm is that?
How do you know it is outdated, I mean other than what you've read on mommy blogs?
Still waiting for your amazing, science and reality-backed insights as to how the medical field SHOULD be treating cancer, and what research they SHOULD be doing.
Can't wait!



Still waiting for your amazing, science and reality-backed insights as to how the medical field SHOULD be treating cancer, and what research they SHOULD be doing.
Can't wait!

Still waiting for your amazing, science and reality-backed insights as to how the medical field SHOULD be treating cancer, and what research they SHOULD be doing.
Can't wait!

How was it back in Jesus' time? Did people not suffer and die from cancer?


Did you know that these "natural" therapies don't work?

Alternative medicine kills cancer patients

The Natural Cancer Cure Narrative

Complementary and Alternative Medicines and Cancer

Chemotherapy doesn’t work? Not so fast…


The facts of the alternative medicine industry

Still waiting for your amazing, science and reality-backed insights as to how the medical field SHOULD be treating cancer, and what research they SHOULD be doing.
Can't wait for your Sayer Ji links and the like.



Sounds like mommy-blog gibberish. Lets see a reference - and no, I won't need you to dumb it down. Unlike you, I have a science background that includes having taught Immunology for several years at the college level.

Citations please.


Awesome assertions with no support!

Still waiting for your amazing, science and reality-backed insights as to how the medical field SHOULD be treating cancer, and what research they SHOULD be doing.
Can't wait!


Citations?


LOL!

You are a piece of work...

Your research appears to consist of little more than reading mommy blogs and woo sites like Mercola's and the Health Ranger's.

Still waiting for your amazing, science and reality-backed insights as to how the medical field SHOULD be treating cancer, and what research they SHOULD be doing.
Can't wait!