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"The Moral Collapse of the Republican Party"

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Treason. He is accused of treason, frequently.
I'm not sure I would want to live in a country that would charge Obama with treason. That's a bit too far. Heck, they can't even muster up the numbers for a good old fashioned impeachment. Maybe Hillary will provide enough amo for that though. First couple to be POTUS. First couple to be impeached. LOL. You can almost hear it now. "I did not have sex with that pool boy! Besides what difference, at this point in time, does it make?"
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Treason. He is accused of treason, frequently.
My opinion is that he's been mediocre, but accusing him of treason is a stretch.
And let's be honest, at the end Bush Jr.'s run there were calls to throw him in jail. Advertising wins, Americans loose, and like sheep they keep putting the same unsavory types in power, even though they can put someone else in. And we get in situations like we're in now where a vote for someone many would not rather see is a dire necessity as it could have major implications for civil rights. If Trump goes with Pence, we've seen what Pence has done, and clearly he isn't in favor of equality, civil rights, medical alternatives, and the state-ran health insurance is terribly difficult to get on (but really nice when you do finally get it). With the Supreme Court vacancy and likely future vacancy during the next president's terms, the Left has to get Hillary in office so that Trump and/or Pence can't. If Hillary is elected, her appointees are likely to vote against things such as North Carolina's anti-transsexual laws. If the appointees have Pence attached to them, the next appointees may see to it that North Carolina's bill is OK, and similar bills sprout up around America.
Banning Muslims coming into America is another huge issue where the Left must make sure the Trump does not win. The Right loves throwing out that a gun ban will not stop criminals from having a gun, yet here they are willing to dismiss the same principle and risk priming people to become radicalized. And what of those who are already here, living peacefully among us as our doctors, professors, engineers, and neighbors? Are we really willing say "you're not welcome here" just because the only real difference is they call god Allah and have two more prophets and no messiah?
And we know Trump is very defensive and easily provoked. We really must ask what will he do as Commander-in-Chief of the world's largest military?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not sure I would want to live in a country that would charge Obama with treason.
Of course, this is moot because he hasn't been.
Extreme partisans are always accusing the other side of treason.
This is just politics as usual.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
My opinion is that he's been mediocre, but accusing him of treason is a stretch.
Actually this is a sentiment that I keep hearing. I also continue to hear, even now, that he is a Muslim who hates America and wants to destroy America. However I am no longer hearing anyone say that Obama plans to end the election process and become dictator for life.
And let's be honest, at the end Bush Jr.'s run there were calls to throw him in jail. Advertising wins, Americans loose, and like sheep they keep putting the same unsavory types in power, even though they can put someone else in. And we get in situations like we're in now where a vote for someone many would not rather see is a dire necessity as it could have major implications for civil rights. If Trump goes with Pence, we've seen what Pence has done, and clearly he isn't in favor of equality, civil rights, medical alternatives, and the state-ran health insurance is terribly difficult to get on (but really nice when you do finally get it). With the Supreme Court vacancy and likely future vacancy during the next president's terms, the Left has to get Hillary in office so that Trump and/or Pence can't. If Hillary is elected, her appointees are likely to vote against things such as North Carolina's anti-transsexual laws. If the appointees have Pence attached to them, the next appointees may see to it that North Carolina's bill is OK, and similar bills sprout up around America.
Some people on the right want a convention of states. I think the left should join in on that. It allows the states to get together and bypass congress. Big changes can be made.
Banning Muslims coming into America is another huge issue where the Left must make sure the Trump does not win. The Right loves throwing out that a gun ban will not stop criminals from having a gun, yet here they are willing to dismiss the same principle and risk priming people to become radicalized. And what of those who are already here, living peacefully among us as our doctors, professors, engineers, and neighbors? Are we really willing say "you're not welcome here" just because the only real difference is they call god Allah and have two more prophets and no messiah?
I think that on the right they do not disagree with the presence of Muslims who already live here. The do not want people coming here in truckloads longing for Sharia. They specifically do not want to be like the UK in this regard with special Sharia zones and special Sharia arbitration.

And we know Trump is very defensive and easily provoked. We really must ask what will he do as Commander-in-Chief of the world's largest military?
He is not as scary as all that. If he started firing generals...then yes that would be scary. Then we would need to head for the hills, but a president cannot rule alone. His military chiefs control his information. Anyway we know what he really thinks. There are videos of Trump him going all the way back to when he was a young person, and he always says the same thing in those videos. He always says he thinks America is getting ripped off by the other countries. Clearly he wants to shrink our influence and let our allies step up. He's going to hammer out a completely different foreign policy. What we don't know what he would decide about domestic issues. He's no longer under the Republican thumb, so its up in the air.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
QUOTE="tytlyf, post: 4813165, member: 35055"]What's wrong with Banana republics?[/QUOTE]
Surely you jest?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's not really about the candidates, although Clinton is much more qualified for the job. It's about who controls the parties and their policies. Republicans are corporate policies and democrats put forth middle class policies.
Democrat policies tend to be pro-middle class, but their corporate ownership cannot be underestimated. The ACA, for example, gave people insurance, but insurance companies are the big winners. Clinton's NAFTA was really only a good thin for the major manufacturing companies who could afford to pack up to Mexico and profit from cheap labor. Basically, with Democrats, corporations, science, and Keynes guiding their policy; Republicans have corporations, churches, and Milton.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Neo-liberalism and unregulated capitalism created the angst that led to the protest votes that elected Trump. The Republicans both created the problem and managed to convince the conservative public that more of the same would solve it.
And they still needed a little extra help from Putin's minions.
Tom
 

habiru

Active Member
The constitution is a secular document. The PP movement is religious based. No one wants christian law in America.
You have forgotten about the percentage of Americans that had voted for President Trump. And so that percentage of Americans wants Christian's laws. And so the majority rules over this country. And which that is making this country a Christian nation.

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Richard Nixon did not like what the government were doing behind the public's backs.




Well, Nixon should of have joined in and drop his underwear to his ankles like everybody else. Because they would not have plotted to get rid of him, like the way they are trying to do with President Trump.

 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You have forgotten about the percentage of Americans that had voted for President Trump. And so that percentage of Americans wants Christian's laws. And so the majority rules over this country. And which that is making this country a Christian nation.
That's now how it works in America. It was set up to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. And, "Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion," so any religious-based law is inherently unConstitutional.
And, also do consider, Trump was not parading God around. He picked Pence to do that for him, because Trump is not the run-of-the-mill "god this and god that" Republican.
 

habiru

Active Member
That's now how it works in America. It was set up to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. And, "Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion," so any religious-based law is inherently unConstitutional.
And, also do consider, Trump was not parading God around. He picked Pence to do that for him, because Trump is not the run-of-the-mill "god this and god that" Republican.
They are trying to shut down Christianity and open up to the world a new religion that of their own. If someone wears a the crucifix around their necks while being a military soldier while on duty is a court martial offense. But it says that anyone has their right to freedom of speech, to express who they are or what they is. Even if that person is an mute. But them devils are trying to adjust everything the way they want it to be, by stripping away the rights of those that aren't with their program. But it is okay for them to protest and be heard, but when it comes to the Christians, that they cannot express themselves unless they are in their closet with the lights out. But they teaches in school about Zuess and the rest of them pagan's god and goddess, but they aren't allowed to talk out loud about Christ and or even they are not allowed to write and post it on the board or whatever.

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They are trying to shut down Christianity and open up to the world a new religion that of their own.
Not happening. Over 70% of the American population identifies as Christian. Most presidents have sworn their oath of a Bible. We added "In God We Trust" on our money about a century and a half ago, and "Under God," to our pledge about 70 years ago. The Vice President elect describes himself as a "Christian. Conservative. Republican. In that order." There is no truth to what you speak.
If someone wears a the crucifix around their necks while being a military soldier while on duty is a court martial offense.
In certain circumstances, I could see having any jewelry being a court martial offense, but there is no truth in that when it comes to general service. They even have chaplains, and atheist soldiers have complained about feeling pressured, and even disciplined, for not attending Christian events.
But them devils are trying to adjust everything the way they want it to be, by stripping away the rights of those that aren't with their program.
That's not happening.
Christians, that they cannot express themselves unless they are in their closet with the lights out.
I live in a very rural area, and within just a few miles of 10 or so churches. Along one stretch of highway, there is literally one church after another after another after another, and they are littered throughout the town.
But they teaches in school about Zuess
They hardly teach anything about Zeus, not really much more than that he was the supreme deity of the ancient Greeks.
but they aren't allowed to talk out loud about Christ
Bull. On the rare occasion I'm watching TV, Christianity is all over the place.
or even they are not allowed to write and post it on the board or whatever.
If you're not allowed to write it, how are you allowed to write it? How are the books you read published?
 
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