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The Most Dangerous Myth In The World

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angellous_evangellous

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bunny1ohio said:
Okay... I know this is going to upset some people but I think it needs said at t his point in the topic... 1) happens all the time in conquered nations even still today
2) Same thing... still goes on
3) Sounds very familiar to many of the ancient texts of numerous religions
4) Again the same
5) Depending on one's view this could even be applied to Christianity. At the very least the killing of heretics... Spanish Inquisition anyone :areyoucra
6) Again applies to most religious texts and teachings.
Well that was my point.
Religion is not just expression... it is also a deep seated need in the human psyche to answer that nagging question of "why"? What better way to express it than to make such a powerful and inspiring story? This is the way with most myths... not all mind you... but most :)
It is an expression of deep seated need in the human psyche.

Hense our friend's Neizschian nihilism
Glas said:
When the religious person employs this subterfuge what he is effectively saying is this: 'I know that my religion is indefensible on any grounds. I know that it has no basis in reality. I know that I am contemptible and foolish for believing it. But please don't remind me of this fact!'
 
Karl R said:
Instead of inventing wild myths about what theists think, feel and believe, why don't you try listening to us?

Glaswegian said:
That is just Christian subterfuge. It is the same form of subterfuge that was employed by all those Muslims who pretended to be offended by the Mohammed cartoons. What it seeks to do is undermine the critic of religion by appealing to his sense of pity.

To reiterate what I said earlier: When the religious believer asks the critic of religion to try 'listening' to him this should be understood as a cry for help, as an attempt on his part to surreptitiously obtain pity and solicitude for the psychological pain and turmoil caused in him by his religion.

Karl R said:
How on earth do you arrive at this conclusion? :bonk:

I arrived at it by the following route:

After the patient and dedicated investigator of religious subterfuge has penetrated through each successive layer of psychological sublimation, after he has peeled aside every veil which conceals and distorts, after he has opened up the Russian doll and the whole series of dolls hidden within that doll, after he has negotiated his way past all the decoys which lie between himself and what he seeks - after he has done all of this and much, much more - he eventually comes to the ultimate, underlying motivation behind the Mohammed Cartoons fiasco. Finally, he beholds the real motivation lying there before him like a startled, wriggling insect uncovered from beneath its boulder and exposed to the light! - the fundamental, covert motivation which was this: The Muslim, at a secret level of his being, wanted the secular West to urinate on him - in a metaphorical sense, of course. Why? Because when the Muslim interpreted the Western media's publication of the Mohammed Cartoons as a degradation of what he most closely identifies with - viz. Islam - he was effectively interpreting their publication as a degradation of himself. And this vicarious debasement was necessary for the Muslim because it served to alleviate the bad conscience he has about his religion.

Why does the Muslim have a bad conscience about Islam? Because, like the Christian and every other believer in monotheism, the Muslim secretly hates his religion. In his heart of hearts, he experiences Islam as an alien reality imposed on him from outside which undermines his moral and intellectual freedom and his capacity for autonomous development. That the hatred which the Muslim feels towards Islam tends to exist at a subterranean level within him is largely the result of the severity of the penalties meted out (historically and in the present day) against those who openly condemn and despise it.*

Because the average Muslim lacks the moral courage to give public expression to his hatred of Islam, because he cannot even bear to admit to himself the hatred he feels towards it, because he dare not allow his hatred for Islam to enter his conscious awareness for a single moment, this causes certain psychological defence-mechanisms to come into operation in him at an unconscious level. Here I will mention just two of them.

One of the defence-mechanisms is reaction-formation which involves the conversion of an unacceptable or threatening impulse into its opposite - in this case, the Muslim's dangerous, subversive hatred of Islam is converted into an ostensible love for it which, of course, is much more acceptable to his socio-cultural milieu. A second defence-mechanism is displacement which involves the shifting of an impulse from its proper object onto a substitute one - in this case, displacement redirected the Muslim's unconscious hatred of Islam onto the West and its media and thereby served to provide temporary relief from the conflict and tension produced in him by the ambivalent attitude he holds towards his religion. This is why the layman, who has no explicit knowledge of the operation of either of the foregoing defence-mechanisms, was nevertheless right to suspect that the Muslims who used the Mohammed Cartoons as a pretext to profess their 'devotion' to Islam in the most vociferous and violent ways are precisely those Muslims whose faith in their religion is most superficial and tenuous.

Had Shakespeare been alive today he would have wrote of the Muslim's phoney outrage over the Mohammed Cartoons thus: Methinks the Muslim doth protest too much.

Incidentally, the psychological defence-mechanism 'reaction-formation' can also be seen at work in the Christian male's condemnation of homosexuality. Thus, Christian males who complain that homosexuality is an abomination because it is 'sinful in the eyes of God' are only pretending to be shocked by it. Their outrage about homosexuality is only ostensible outrage - pseudo outrage - because these Christian males are really drawn to this form of sexual behaviour and would like to indulge in it themselves. We can glimpse the repressed homosexuality in this species of Christian male by examining some of the ways in which he uses language to conceptualise his 'relationship' with Jesus.

For example, he often conceives of his soul as the 'bride' of Christ and Christ as its 'bridegroom'; and he ardently desires to be 'penetrated' by Christ's love; and he anticipates that his 'union' with Christ will be 'ecstatic' when he 'opens himself up' and lets Christ 'come into' him so that he can 'feel the vibrating, pulsating power of His love inside'. The nature of the Christian male's homoerotic love for Jesus varies from individual to individual. Thus, the masochistic Christian male wants to be 'possessed' violently by his 'Lord' while the Christian male whose sensibilities are more delicate wants Jesus to be 'gentle' with him and to be 'caught up in His everlasting arms'. Then, of course, there is the Christian male who cries in a paroxysm of passion: 'I am yours Lord! Do anything you want with me!' Plainly, this kind of Christian is besotted with Jesus: he 'trembles with desire' for his 'Lord' and wants to 'prostrate' himself before Him 'abjectly'. Thus, in these and many other ways the Christian male who has repressed his homosexuality gives expression to his secret desire to be Jesus's 'woman'.

* The reason for the monotheist's secret hatred of his religion is discussed in more detail in my post Religion And The Need For Blasphemy in General Religious Debates.
 

bunny1ohio

Active Member
Glaswegian said:
Why does the Muslim have a bad conscience about Islam? Because, like the Christian and every other believer in monotheism, the Muslim secretly hates his religion. In his heart of hearts, he experiences Islam as an alien reality imposed on him from outside which undermines his moral and intellectual freedom and his capacity for autonomous development. That the hatred which the Muslim feels towards Islam tends to exist at a subterranean level within him is largely the result of the severity of the penalties meted out (historically and in the present day) against those who openly condemn and despise it.*

Incidentally, the psychological defence-mechanism 'reaction-formation' can also be seen at work in the Christian male's condemnation of homosexuality. Thus, Christian males who complain that homosexuality is an abomination because it is 'sinful in the eyes of God' are only pretending to be shocked by it.

Dang Glas... I normally agree with most of your posts, but I'm gonna say you have WAY over-analyzed this one. Most religious people (monotheists) feel comforted by their religion. They feel safe knowing they can turn over their life's problems to a "higher being" and let them handle it... but I would not go so far as to say they secretly hate their religion... I would agree they may secretly (or not so secretly a lot of the time) hate some of the restrictions their religions place on them.

As to the homosexuality bit... again I think you've gone way to compartmentalized on this one. My husband is not religious, although he was raised that way (as was I) and taught that man lying with man or woman with woman was abomination... it is what the religion teaches specifically... if they follow the teachings of their religion then they are stating what they believe to be true. And some people are just not comfortable with gays because to them it is wrong and unnatural. It may not be to most people, but to a lot it is sick because they do not have those urges nor can they understand another man/woman that does. I don't think that makes them all closet homosexuals *grins* :D
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Glaswegian said:
To reiterate what I said earlier: When the religious believer asks the critic of religion to try 'listening' to him this should be understood as a cry for help, as an attempt on his part to surreptitiously obtain pity and solicitude for the psychological pain and turmoil caused in him by his religion.

This is pathetic.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
Ophiuchus said:
I think the idea of regarding Christs divinity a myth is preposterous! If this movement catches on Christianity will suffer greatly, and be devided even more then ever before. You will have one group who no longer believes in God, Prophecy, Spirituality, and will ultimently no longer have a reason for being Christians.They will be utterly blasphemous in every way, and will not have any respect for their brothers, and sisters, who believe different.

Christianity does not need people who are not true believers. You serve no purpose, and u deny Christ. You will get nothing out of bearing the Christian name if you have no passion or faith. I loathe the day when a so called Christian tells me Christ was not of the Spirit of God.

The Kingdom is here, right Infront of us. Christianity is what Jesus called the Kingdom of God. Breaking what is sacred to millions is bound to start a civil war in the Kingdom of God. You would help perpetuate what you say you are trying to change.

I hope these Anti Christs decieve no more than they already have!


If there is such a thing as the kingdom of God, it already had begun long before. Think about the crusades, justification to slaughter non believers by people who say they are true believers. Hope people do not keep saying anyone against christ are deceivers because that is when killing of humanity begins, when one party says their beliefs are better. I say let these people believe what they want. Most leaders are just afraid that their movement would take over, just like the crusades, I hope you are not one of them. I say let people practice what they want, they are not doing any harm to anyone, heck maybe your jesus christ might come back if this movement takes over.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
This is pathetic.

I don't see why its pathetic. Its a point of view that makes sense in various applications. In some cases, Religion manipulates followers and in certain ocassions it is a cry for help for their own beliefs. Some religions follow a translated version of scriptures without questioning its origin. This makes the individual confused when he/she meets one with a different point of view. I say just respect it as they would do to you and not convert them as most religious people do.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
ProfLogic said:
I don't see why its pathetic. Its a point of view that makes sense in various applications. In some cases, Religion manipulates followers and in certain ocassions it is a cry for help for their own beliefs. Some religions follow a translated version of scriptures without questioning its origin. This makes the individual confused when he/she meets one with a different point of view. I say just respect it as they would do to you and not convert them as most religious people do.

If a person actually were in the situation described, I can't imagine how we cannot label the situation as "pathetic." That's assuming incorrectly, of course, that the miserable analysis is appropriate in the first place.
 

Karl R

Active Member
Glaswegian, are you at all familiar with the principle of Ockham's Razor?

Ockham's Razor states that "entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily." This is usually interpreted to mean "keep it simple".

Application of Ockham's dictates that if there are two theories which could explain a situation, the simplest explanation should be given the greatest consideration.

Glaswegian said:
To reiterate what I said earlier: When the religious believer asks the critic of religion to try 'listening' to him this should be understood as a cry for help, as an attempt on his part to surreptitiously obtain pity and solicitude for the psychological pain and turmoil caused in him by his religion.
Simpler explanation:
When I suggested that you could learn something by listening to me, I actually meant that you could learn something by listening to me. Listen, and learn. It's practical advice that we give to very young children.

Glaswegian said:
I arrived at it by the following route:

After the patient and dedicated investigator of religious subterfuge has penetrated through each successive layer of psychological sublimation, after he has peeled aside every veil which conceals and distorts, after he has opened up the Russian doll and the whole series of dolls hidden within that doll, after he has negotiated his way past all the decoys which lie between himself and what he seeks - after he has done all of this and much, much more -
Do you realize that you just typed 76 words that added absolutely nothing to your explanation?

Glaswegian said:
he eventually comes to the ultimate, underlying motivation behind the Mohammed Cartoons fiasco.
More accurately, we get to your theory of the motivation.

Glaswegian said:
Finally, he beholds the real motivation lying there before him like a startled, wriggling insect uncovered from beneath its boulder and exposed to the light!
Another 25 words which add nothing of substance to your theory.

Glaswegian said:
the fundamental, covert motivation which was this: The Muslim, at a secret level of his being, wanted the secular West to urinate on him - in a metaphorical sense, of course. Why? Because when the Muslim interpreted the Western media's publication of the Mohammed Cartoons as a degradation of what he most closely identifies with - viz. Islam - he was effectively interpreting their publication as a degradation of himself. And this vicarious debasement was necessary for the Muslim because it served to alleviate the bad conscience he has about his religion.

Why does the Muslim have a bad conscience about Islam? Because, like the Christian and every other believer in monotheism, the Muslim secretly hates his religion. In his heart of hearts, he experiences Islam as an alien reality imposed on him from outside which undermines his moral and intellectual freedom and his capacity for autonomous development. That the hatred which the Muslim feels towards Islam tends to exist at a subterranean level within him is largely the result of the severity of the penalties meted out (historically and in the present day) against those who openly condemn and despise it.*

Because the average Muslim lacks the moral courage to give public expression to his hatred of Islam, because he cannot even bear to admit to himself the hatred he feels towards it, because he dare not allow his hatred for Islam to enter his conscious awareness for a single moment, this causes certain psychological defence-mechanisms to come into operation in him at an unconscious level. Here I will mention just two of them.

One of the defence-mechanisms is reaction-formation which involves the conversion of an unacceptable or threatening impulse into its opposite - in this case, the Muslim's dangerous, subversive hatred of Islam is converted into an ostensible love for it which, of course, is much more acceptable to his socio-cultural milieu. A second defence-mechanism is displacement which involves the shifting of an impulse from its proper object onto a substitute one - in this case, displacement redirected the Muslim's unconscious hatred of Islam onto the West and its media and thereby served to provide temporary relief from the conflict and tension produced in him by the ambivalent attitude he holds towards his religion. This is why the layman, who has no explicit knowledge of the operation of either of the foregoing defence-mechanisms, was nevertheless right to suspect that the Muslims who used the Mohammed Cartoons as a pretext to profess their 'devotion' to Islam in the most vociferous and violent ways are precisely those Muslims whose faith in their religion is most superficial and tenuous.
Complicated, and counter-intuitive.

Simpler explanation:
Arabs/muslims want respect, just like everyone else on this planet. European arabs are poor immigrants, so they are treated with disrespect. The majority of muslims in the rest of the world are poor, so they are also treated with disrespect.

According to muslim belief, it is wrong to retaliate against someone who treats you with disrespect. Disrespect still makes them angry (just like anyone else), but they don't get to express that anger.

However, when the same people who treat arabs with disrespect also show disrespect to the islamic faith, the muslims are allowed (and even encouraged) to retaliate.

Payback is a simple explanation.

Glaswegian said:
Had Shakespeare been alive today he would have wrote of the Muslim's phoney outrage over the Mohammed Cartoons thus: Methinks the Muslim doth protest too much.
Hmm. You "know" what muslims "secretly" think. You "know" what christians "secretly" think. You "know" what Shakespeare would have thought. You must be absolutely brilliant.

Simpler explanation:
You have no idea what anyone thinks (just like the rest of us), but you like to act like you do in lieu of making arguements that actually contain substance.

Glaswegian said:
Incidentally, the psychological defence-mechanism 'reaction-formation' can also be seen at work in the Christian male's condemnation of homosexuality. Thus, Christian males who complain that homosexuality is an abomination because it is 'sinful in the eyes of God' are only pretending to be shocked by it. Their outrage about homosexuality is only ostensible outrage - pseudo outrage - because these Christian males are really drawn to this form of sexual behaviour and would like to indulge in it themselves. We can glimpse the repressed homosexuality in this species of Christian male by examining some of the ways in which he uses language to conceptualise his 'relationship' with Jesus.

For example, he often conceives of his soul as the 'bride' of Christ and Christ as its 'bridegroom'; and he ardently desires to be 'penetrated' by Christ's love; and he anticipates that his 'union' with Christ will be 'ecstatic' when he 'opens himself up' and lets Christ 'come into' him so that he can 'feel the vibrating, pulsating power of His love inside'. The nature of the Christian male's homoerotic love for Jesus varies from individual to individual. Thus, the masochistic Christian male wants to be 'possessed' violently by his 'Lord' while the Christian male whose sensibilities are more delicate wants Jesus to be 'gentle' with him and to be 'caught up in His everlasting arms'. Then, of course, there is the Christian male who cries in a paroxysm of passion: 'I am yours Lord! Do anything you want with me!' Plainly, this kind of Christian is besotted with Jesus: he 'trembles with desire' for his 'Lord' and wants to 'prostrate' himself before Him 'abjectly'. Thus, in these and many other ways the Christian male who has repressed his homosexuality gives expression to his secret desire to be Jesus's 'woman'.
:sleep: Um ... were you saying something?

I must say, I'm impressed. Not only did you take a whole lot of christian words completely out of context for that explanation, you even threw in a few that were never used in the bible in the first place. Most people at least feel obliged to make a vague attempt to conceal when they're quoting out of context.

Simpler explanation:
Some heterosexuals (religious and non-religious) find homosexual sex "gross" for the same reason that some homosexuals find heterosexual sex "gross". In order to justify this internal reaction, they look for external justification (scientific, philosophical or religious) for feeling the way they do.

They want to feel that they're right and the other people are wrong. That's a pretty normal human reaction.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Karl R said:
Do you realize that you just typed 76 words that added absolutely nothing to your explanation?

You do realize that you just spent more time on this post than it deserves.
 

GreyHam

New Member
as far as religions in general go, my primary concern is how they teach people to act on earth. i find it more important that people are tought to love each other, not to kill, not to steal, not to lie, than who to worship, or who is powerful, or who we owe our allegiances. as a result i can perhaps accept the liberal christian viewpoint there, but surely the foundation of christianity is ont he belief that christ was not merely a prophet, but the son of God himself. both jews and muslims accept jesus christ as a prophet, but deny that he was the sun of God. because of this, while i welcome the teachings of the new testament without the connection to Jesus, i find it hard to accept how this liberal Christian belief can be a christian belief at all
 
Glaswegian said:
I don't know about you but sometimes when my eyes meet the eyes of an animal, say a dog, I find myself lowering mine in shame. Do you know why? Because within the unfathomable depths of the creature's gaze there is something accusatory, something which seems to say: 'How ridiculous you humans are! How utterly preposterous you appear to us animals! Why do you require all those religious illusions in order to live? What nonsense! Why can't you be like us? Why are you unable just to live!'

Karl R said:
You feel the need to justify your beliefs to an animal that eats its own poop? :biglaugh:

The canine species has achieved an incalculably higher level of moral development than the human species. This is especially the case with regard to what we humans think of as the most important virtue - viz. love. For example, in terms of its intrinsic moral worth, a dog's love is infinitely more valuable than a Christian's love. This is because a dog's love is always pure whereas a Christian's love is always tainted by selfishness. Thus, when a Christian does anything out of 'love' he always keeps one eye surreptitiously fixed on heaven because he is anxious to gauge how the 'good work' born of his 'love' appears to the all-powerful God up there who will ultimately judge his fate. In other words, the 'good work' which the Christian does out of 'love' is always done with a view to how it will reflect on his soul and, therefore, on his personal salvation.

But the egotistical and mercenary considerations which enter into the Christian's calculations when he 'loves' are completely absent in the dog. When a dog loves, it loves wholeheartedly: that is, its love is utterly sincere and is not adulterated by crass and selfish motives. Indeed, from our point of view, a dog's love is the highest form of love because a dog is the only being that loves us more than we love ourselves. It is this quality of a dog's love which elevates the canine species far above humankind. No human being has ever come close to matching it.

Sometimes during the horror of an intensely dark night or when life becomes even more unspeakably loathsome than usual I console myself with the following thought: That one day in the future - perhaps in a hundred years, or a thousand years, or ten thousand years - a human being will be born whom nature has equipped with the inner resources and strength of character which will enable them to attain to the moral level of a dog. Who can say that such a thought is utterly incredible? Who can say that it is beyond all possibility of ever being realised? No one, of course. But what can be said with absolute certainty is that such a human being would be unique among all the members of the human species who had ever appeared on the earth, so much so that this extraordinary individual would become the stuff of legend, and - who knows? - maybe even religions would be built around him or her...
 

jazzalta

Member
I didn't read the whole thread so I apologize if this has already been stated. Jesus =God was born at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Glaswegian said:
The canine species has achieved an incalculably higher level of moral development than the human species. This is especially the case with regard to what we humans think of as the most important virtue - viz. love. For example, in terms of its intrinsic moral worth, a dog's love is infinitely more valuable than a Christian's love. This is because a dog's love is always pure whereas a Christian's love is always tainted by selfishness. Thus, when a Christian does anything out of 'love' he always keeps one eye surreptitiously fixed on heaven because he is anxious to gauge how the 'good work' born of his 'love' appears to the all-powerful God up there who will ultimately judge his fate. In other words, the 'good work' which the Christian does out of 'love' is always done with a view to how it will reflect on his soul and, therefore, on his personal salvation.

But the egotistical and mercenary considerations which enter into the Christian's calculations when he 'loves' are completely absent in the dog. When a dog loves, it loves wholeheartedly: that is, its love is utterly sincere and is not adulterated by crass and selfish motives. Indeed, from our point of view, a dog's love is the highest form of love because a dog is the only being that loves us more than we love ourselves. It is this quality of a dog's love which elevates the canine species far above humankind. No human being has ever come close to matching it.

Sometimes during the horror of an intensely dark night or when life becomes even more unspeakably loathsome than usual I console myself with the following thought: That one day in the future - perhaps in a hundred years, or a thousand years, or ten thousand years - a human being will be born whom nature has equipped with the inner resources and strength of character which will enable them to attain to the moral level of a dog. Who can say that such a thought is utterly incredible? Who can say that it is beyond all possibility of ever being realised? No one, of course. But what can be said with absolute certainty is that such a human being would be unique among all the members of the human species who had ever appeared on the earth, so much so that this extraordinary individual would become the stuff of legend, and - who knows? - maybe even religions would be built around him or her...

Now this is a low anthropology. Do you not think that Socrates, Diogenes the Cynic, Teles, Jesus, the Prophet, the Buddha, Cicero, Plutarch, Seneca, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, and scores of others did not reach above the moral level of the dog? The whole point of Greco-Roman philosophy was to challenge human beings to live selflessly and to raise above their carnal (dog-like) desires, and Christianity stands in this noble heritage.

Unbelievable.

BTW, dogs seem to love unconditionally because they are stupid. You seem to forget also that there are several breeds of dog that inexplicably turn on their masters.

footnotes:
Socrates and Jesus on Lust
The Greco-Roman concept of original sin
The Philosophers Saved Humanity
Xenophon's Description of Socrates
Cicero and the New Testament
The inside of the cup
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Glaswegian said:
The canine species has achieved an incalculably higher level of moral development than the human species. This is especially the case with regard to what we humans think of as the most important virtue - viz. love. For example, in terms of its intrinsic moral worth, a dog's love is infinitely more valuable than a Christian's love.

I'll keep that in mind the next time I see vast numbers of people afflicted by hurricanes, poverty or tsunamis. Maybe the dogs can fly some food and water in to help us out.

This is because a dog's love is always pure whereas a Christian's love is always tainted by selfishness.Thus, when a Christian does anything out of 'love' he always keeps one eye surreptitiously fixed on heaven because he is anxious to gauge how the 'good work' born of his 'love' appears to the all-powerful God up there who will ultimately judge his fate. In other words, the 'good work' which the Christian does out of 'love' is always done with a view to how it will reflect on his soul and, therefore, on his personal salvation.

I'm sorry you've met so few Christians. Or I might be sorry that you're not a better mind reader. I'm not sure which it is, because I'm not a very good mind reader either. But I have met Christians who are selfless in their acts and help others simply because Christ commanded them to.

But the egotistical and mercenary considerations which enter into the Christian's calculations when he 'loves' are completely absent in the dog. When a dog loves, it loves wholeheartedly: that is, its love is utterly sincere and is not adulterated by crass and selfish motives.

Yes, the dog's attachment has no relationship at all to the possibility that we might feed him or pay attention to him.

Indeed, from our point of view, a dog's love is the highest form of love because a dog is the only being that loves us more than we love ourselves. It is this quality of a dog's love which elevates the canine species far above humankind. No human being has ever come close to matching it.

Mosquitoes love us even more.

Sometimes during the horror of an intensely dark night or when life becomes even more unspeakably loathsome than usual I console myself with the following thought: That one day in the future - perhaps in a hundred years, or a thousand years, or ten thousand years - a human being will be born whom nature has equipped with the inner resources and strength of character which will enable them to attain to the moral level of a dog. Who can say that such a thought is utterly incredible? Who can say that it is beyond all possibility of ever being realised? No one, of course. But what can be said with absolute certainty is that such a human being would be unique among all the members of the human species who had ever appeared on the earth, so much so that this extraordinary individual would become the stuff of legend, and - who knows? - maybe even religions would be built around him or her...

Yes, they were.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Glaswegian said:
Sometimes during the horror of an intensely dark night or when life becomes even more unspeakably loathsome than usual I console myself with the following thought: That one day in the future - perhaps in a hundred years, or a thousand years, or ten thousand years - a human being will be born whom nature has equipped with the inner resources and strength of character which will enable them to attain to the moral level of a dog. Who can say that such a thought is utterly incredible? Who can say that it is beyond all possibility of ever being realised? No one, of course. But what can be said with absolute certainty is that such a human being would be unique among all the members of the human species who had ever appeared on the earth, so much so that this extraordinary individual would become the stuff of legend, and - who knows? - maybe even religions would be built around him or her...

Perhaps you can be the first to light a candle...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13043875/
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Read the"The Jesus Puzzle", and Freke and Gandys "The Jesus Mysteries" and "The Laughing Jesus" for insight to why the Biblical JEsus is most certainly a myth created by the literalist wing of the exaly Christian Church.
 
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